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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #165 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:43pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

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http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Omg dummy again getting confused Grin

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #166 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #167 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:07pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Ha ha ha!!!

It is not illegal to seek asylum.

And the Refugee Convention specifically reinforces this point:

The UNHCR states that refugee status exists prior to and independent of the recognition of this status by member countries.
http://www.safecom.org.au/senate-inquiry.htm

At no stage in the asylum seeking process is a bona-fide asylum seeker doing anything "illegal".

where have I ever said it was??

You just like to call them illegals even though you understand there is nothing illegal about what they have done?

Illegals are doing nothing illegal????

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #168 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal%20alien

illegal alien
noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

yeah you'll get it right one day pecker

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #169 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Ha ha ha!!!

It is not illegal to seek asylum.

And the Refugee Convention specifically reinforces this point:

The UNHCR states that refugee status exists prior to and independent of the recognition of this status by member countries.
http://www.safecom.org.au/senate-inquiry.htm

At no stage in the asylum seeking process is a bona-fide asylum seeker doing anything "illegal".

where have I ever said it was??

You just like to call them illegals even though you understand there is nothing illegal about what they have done?

Illegals are doing nothing illegal????

And what is it you think they've done dna?

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #170 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Hopefully he'll also one day understand that asylum seekers apply for protection visas when they seek refugee status in Australia. And as a result anyone applying for asylum seeker status is guaranteed protection under the refugee convention, as per the migration act, until either their claim is approved or denied. Approve means they get protectionvisa. Denied means they become unlawful citizens and can be deported.

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11457 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #171 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm Is it illegal to pay criminals (people smugglers) thousands of dollars to 'jump the queue' and enter Australia ahead of thousands of refugees waiting years to get here through the proper channels? If the answer is "no" would it then be illegal if I paid a criminal to rob a bank for me?
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #172 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Quote:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal%20alien

illegal alien
noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

yeah you'll get it right one day pecker

I get it right every day when I deal with you.

Today is no different.

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

Sorry old chum.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #173 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Hopefully he'll also one day understand that asylum seekers apply for protection visas when they seek refugee status in Australia. And as a result anyone applying for asylum seeker status is guaranteed protection under the refugee convention, as per the migration act, until either their claim is approved or denied. Approve means they get protectionvisa. Denied means they become unlawful citizens and can be deported.

Migration Act 1858 section 36 - enough said

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #174 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Is it illegal to pay criminals (people smugglers) thousands of dollars to 'jump the queue' and enter Australia ahead of thousands of refugees waiting years to get here through the proper channels?

If the answer is "no" would it then be illegal if I paid a criminal to rob a bank for me?

What queue? And under the refugee convention the way a person comes into the country bares no significance. So stfu

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #175 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17pm “should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum” So they should be considered illegal before they claim asylum. No one knows his or her intention before the claim for asylum is made. So boats entering Australian waters, contain illegal entrants, until asylum is claimed.
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #176 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Quote:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal%20alien

illegal alien
noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

yeah you'll get it right one day pecker

I get it right every day when I deal with you.

Today is no different.

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

Sorry old chum.

If they have been granted the status of and given the protection as an asylum seeker then they are a refugee - therefore they are not an illegal alien

before that - they are an illegal alien

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #177 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Hopefully he'll also one day understand that asylum seekers apply for protection visas when they seek refugee status in Australia. And as a result anyone applying for asylum seeker status is guaranteed protection under the refugee convention, as per the migration act, until either their claim is approved or denied. Approve means they get protectionvisa. Denied means they become unlawful citizens and can be deported.

Migration Act 1858 section 36 - enough said

I'm gla you know the section. Finally dummy learnt something!!!

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11457 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #178 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:20pm Honestly - I'm surprised you people have the stamina to keep going round and round in circles for months over this issue and really getting nowhere. Bottom line (to me) is... we'll just have to wait and see what future Prime Minister Tony Abbott can do to solve the problem.
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #179 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Fair enough, but just recognise that it's the protection visa clauses that apply to asylum seekers, not section 14. As maqqa fails to understand, the dummy.

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/onshore/866/

To be granted a Protection visa you will need to be found to be owed protection in Australia, because you are a refugee as defined by the Refugees Convention, or because you meet the complementary protection criteria

These illegal aliens have been approved as refugees?

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

They certainly are aliens, but they're not illegal.

You'll get it right one day Maqqa.

Quote:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal%20alien

illegal alien
noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

yeah you'll get it right one day pecker

I get it right every day when I deal with you.

Today is no different.

Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens.

Sorry old chum.

If they have been granted the status of and given the protection as an asylum seeker then they are a refugee - therefore they are not an illegal alien

before that - they are an illegal alien

Dummy still utterly confused Sad

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