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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #135 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:24am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded

over 90% of boat people under Howard were awarded asylum either here or in NZ ... maybe you should tell the libs to stop rewarding them before they announce their policy ... wouldn't want them to get it wrong now would we .....

For the period 2001-2007 that equates to 1300

Under Gillard - 33,000 illegals arrived for processing

The majority of "illegals" come by plane.

"58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...

Another fail for Maqqa.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #136 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

That's correct.

Not "illegals", and not "illegal immigrant".

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

You can also be an 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' AKA 'Illegal entrant' if you overstay your visa conditions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

The majority of "illegals" come by plane."58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...Another fail for Maqqa

Nope they arrive legally (EG. with a Visa as Lawful non-citizens) and then overstay their visa conditions and hence become unlawfull non-citizens (AKA "illegals") . Big difference GPC. Huh

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #137 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:56am

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

Nope they arrive legally (EG. with a Visa as Lawful non-citizens) and then overstay their visa conditions and hence become unlawfull non-citizens (AKA "illegals") . Big difference GPC. Huh

My statement was 100% correct: the majority of "illegals" come by plane.

I didn't say anything about them arriving "illegally".

Moreover, the story I linked to didn't say anything about them arriving illegally: it clearly states that they are " visa overstayers".

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156537 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #138 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:04am Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am: Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant' They don't mean the exact same thing, which is precisely why the Migration Act was amended.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42477 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #139 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:12am so, the boat illegals are illegal when they arrive, the plane illegals become illegal some time after ? we can vet the plane illegals at less cost and more safely.
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #140 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:16am

Swagman wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

That's correct.

Not "illegals", and not "illegal immigrant".

Sorry -> 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' is synonymous with 'Illegal entrant'

You can also be an 'Unlawfull Non-Citizen' AKA 'Illegal entrant' if you overstay your visa conditions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

The majority of "illegals" come by plane."58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...Another fail for Maqqa

Nope they arrive legally (EG. with a Visa as Lawful non-citizens) and then overstay their visa conditions and hence become unlawfull non-citizens (AKA "illegals") . Big difference GPC. Huh

But they dont enter australia until they are granted visas.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #141 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

(1) The Migration Act referenced it

Yes, the Migration Act references it by saying that "illegal" is no longer applicable. The reference in the current Migration Act actually destroys your "argument".

"To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen."

In case you weren't aware Maqqa, it is now after 1 September 1994: versions of the Act using the term "illegal" are now superseded (it's a big word, I know, but look it up in a dictionary).

Before September 1994: "illegal entrant".

After September 1994: "unlawful non-citizen".

Yes

they are illegal

No, they were illegal.

Learn to read my friend. Learn to read.

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156537 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #142 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am: And now they're "unlawful" Semantics Uncle - your favorite game. Correct. Extremely important in law. Which is precisely why the Act was amended.
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #143 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

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Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

They changed the name but not the definition

If you want to be accurate then why aren't you calling them Alien as per UN Refugee Convention

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #144 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:37am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

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Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

They changed the name but not the definition

If you want to be accurate then why aren't you calling them Alien as per UN Refugee Convention

I have no problem calling them aliens: that's exactly what they are.

We've been through this Maqqa: nobody in the entire world would argue that they are not aliens.

Tell me one person who has ever said that they are not aliens?

I repeat Maqqa: they ARE aliens. Absolutely no doubt about it. Aliens.

Now, what's your point? Undecided

Do you have a point, or is it just that you don't understand what an "alien" is?

Alien: A foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living (foreigner - stranger).

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #145 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

Roll Eyes

Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

They changed the name but not the definition

If you want to be accurate then why aren't you calling them Alien as per UN Refugee Convention

I have no problem calling them aliens: that's exactly what they are.

We've been through this Maqqa: nobody in the entire world would argue that they are not aliens.

Tell me one person who has ever said that they are not aliens?

I repeat Maqqa: they ARE aliens. Absolutely no doubt about it. Aliens.

Now, what's your point? Undecided

Do you have a point, or is it just that you don't understand what an "alien" is?

Alien: A foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living (foreigner - stranger).

Then I expect you to support that conviction when someone uses the terms asylum seeker or refugee

Unless they've been accepted - they are aliens

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #146 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

Roll Eyes

Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

Synonyms:

illegal - illicit - illegitimate - lawless - wrongful

un·law·ful ( n-lô f l). adj. 1. Not lawful; illegal

Consequences of being unlawful

Unlawful non-citizens have no entitlement to remain in Australia and are expected to depart. Where unlawful non-citizens refuse to leave Australia voluntarily, they may be detained and removed from Australia at the earliest practicable opportunity.

Seems no one know what the f to call 'em???

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #147 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:55am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

Roll Eyes

Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

They changed the name but not the definition

If you want to be accurate then why aren't you calling them Alien as per UN Refugee Convention

I have no problem calling them aliens: that's exactly what they are.

We've been through this Maqqa: nobody in the entire world would argue that they are not aliens.

Tell me one person who has ever said that they are not aliens?

I repeat Maqqa: they ARE aliens. Absolutely no doubt about it. Aliens.

Now, what's your point? Undecided

Do you have a point, or is it just that you don't understand what an "alien" is?

Alien: A foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living (foreigner - stranger).

Then I expect you to support that conviction when someone uses the terms asylum seeker or refugee

Unless they've been accepted - they are aliens

Yes. And it is not illegal to be an alien

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #148 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:58am rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:55am: Yes. And it is not illegal to be an alien Nope
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #149 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:59am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

And now they're "unlawful"

Semantics Uncle - your favorite game.

Roll Eyes

Correct.

Extremely important in law.

Which is precisely why the Act was amended.

They changed the name but not the definition

If you want to be accurate then why aren't you calling them Alien as per UN Refugee Convention

I have no problem calling them aliens: that's exactly what they are.

We've been through this Maqqa: nobody in the entire world would argue that they are not aliens.

Tell me one person who has ever said that they are not aliens?

I repeat Maqqa: they ARE aliens. Absolutely no doubt about it. Aliens.

Now, what's your point? Undecided

Do you have a point, or is it just that you don't understand what an "alien" is?

Alien: A foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living (foreigner - stranger).

Then I expect you to support that conviction when someone uses the terms asylum seeker or refugee

Unless they've been accepted - they are aliens

Yes. And it is not illegal to be an alien

But it is impossible to be un-lawful, without being illegal.

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