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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #120 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

(1) The Migration Act referenced it

Yes, the Migration Act references it by saying that "illegal" is no longer applicable. The reference in the current Migration Act actually destroys your "argument".

"To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen."

In case you weren't aware Maqqa, it is now after 1 September 1994: versions of the Act using the term "illegal" are now superseded (it's a big word, I know, but look it up in a dictionary).

Before September 1994: "illegal entrant".

After September 1994: "unlawful non-citizen".

Yes

they are illegal

No. Learn to read. They are "unlawful non-citizens"

Not illegal.

It is legal to seek asylum
It is not illegal to be an unlawful non-citizen.

An unlawful non-citizen with a legitimate claim for asylum will be granted a visa when their claim is verified.

- Very good! You're slowly catching on. However, when something is "unlawful", that means it is illegal.

At no time in this process has the person done anything illegal.

- Awww, wrong again! I thought you were getting better. They tried to enter Australia without a passport and visa. It is illegal to enter Australia without these documents under the Customs and Immigrations Acts.

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #121 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:11pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

I smashed both of you lefties on here the other day and you still have not learnt

It wasn't in regard to "Rudd's Kyoto Billions"
in fines, was it ?
Over that ratification ABBOTT confessed was a mistake by the Howard Government in not doing ?
Along with the "billions in compensation claims"
that a SORRY by the Government of the day would result in ?
That same SORRY Tony Abbott confessed was a "big mistake"
by the Howard Government, in not saying ?

http://www.toonsup.com/users/b/belugatoons/laughing_pup_110525_203924.gif

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http://www.news.com.au/national-old/kevin-rudd-was-right-to-apologise-to-stolen-...

"We should have ratified Kyoto," he said during a special edition of the ABC's Q&A program last night.

"Maintaining our Kyoto commitments but not ratifying Kyoto looked odd and, frankly, we should have apologised to indigenous people.

"It was overdue, it was gracious and I think the whole country felt buoyed."

"We lost the election, so I guess by definition we should have tried some things differently."

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #122 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm: Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal. And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #123 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded

over 90% of boat people under Howard were awarded asylum either here or in NZ ... maybe you should tell the libs to stop rewarding them before they announce their policy ... wouldn't want them to get it wrong now would we .....

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #124 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded

over 90% of boat people under Howard were awarded asylum either here or in NZ ... maybe you should tell the libs to stop rewarding them before they announce their policy ... wouldn't want them to get it wrong now would we .....

For the period 2001-2007 that equates to 1300

Under Gillard - 33,000 illegals arrived for processing

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #125 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:33pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded

over 90% of boat people under Howard were awarded asylum either here or in NZ ... maybe you should tell the libs to stop rewarding them before they announce their policy ... wouldn't want them to get it wrong now would we .....

For the period 2001-2007 that equates to 1300

Under Gillard - 33,000 illegals arrived for processing

Not illegal.
Please learn how to read.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #126 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:33pm: Not illegal.Please learn how to read. ...yes illegal. Please learn how to read....
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #127 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Anyone is entitled to go to a point of entry and request asylum it is not illegal.

And if they continue to avoid every other point of application for asylum then they should not be rewarded

over 90% of boat people under Howard were awarded asylum either here or in NZ ... maybe you should tell the libs to stop rewarding them before they announce their policy ... wouldn't want them to get it wrong now would we .....

For the period 2001-2007 that equates to 1300

Under Gillard - 33,000 illegals arrived for processing

1300 in Australia ... why don't you add up the ones he sent to NZ who later made their way here

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156537 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #128 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:45pm Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:33pm: Not illegal.Please learn how to read. ...yes illegal. Please learn how to read.... No, not illegal. Show us where it says in the current legislation that asylum seekers, today, are illegal. Waiting ...
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #129 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:48pm ........by "current legislation" are you referring to the Migration Act by chance GPC?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156537 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #130 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:49pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:03pm: Very good! You're slowly catching on. However, when something is "unlawful", that means it is illegal. Um, no. Try using that line in a court of law and see how far it gets you. 'Unlawful' and 'illegal' are not the same thing.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156537 Gender:	Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well Reply #131 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:50pm Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:48pm: ........by "current legislation" are you referring to the Migration Act by chance GPC? Yes, the current version of the Migration Act 1958. Not superseded versions.
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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #132 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

Migration Act Section 14.2

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14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

I believe the terminology in the current version is "unlawful non-citizen"

AKA -------> I L L E G A L ....entrant......... Huh

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #133 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Very good! You're slowly catching on. However, when something is "unlawful", that means it is illegal.

Um, no.

Try using that line in a court of law and see how far it gets you.

'Unlawful' and 'illegal' are not the same thing.

....'unlawful' and 'illegal' are synonymous

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Re: Labor have now stuffed up Nauru as well
Reply #134 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Migration Act Section 14.2

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14 (2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen

I believe the terminology in the current version is "unlawful non-citizen"

That's correct.

Not "illegals", and not "illegal immigrant".

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