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Feb 24th, 2013 at 3:52pm
 
Q. Who do you think would make the better Prime Minister out of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott?
5 Jul 201014 Mar 201114 Jun 201112 Sept 201112 Dec 201112 Mar 201212 Jun 201210 Sept 201210 Dec 201214 Jan 2013Vote LaborVote LiberalVote Green
Julia Gillard53%44%41%36%39%40%37%40%43%42%89%5%84%
Tony Abbott26%33%36%40%35%37%37%37%34%33%1%73%3%
Don’t Know21%23%24%24%26%23%26%24%23%24%10%22%14%


42% (down 1%) believe Julia Gillard would make the better Prime Minister and 33% (down 1%) prefer Tony Abbott.
Men prefer Julia Gillard 39%/38% and women prefer Julia Gillard 46%/29%.

"http://essentialvision.com.au/better-prime-minister-38"


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I know the mainstream media is only interested in polls owned by Rupert and any other poll, however obscure, they can dredge up that has a bad outcome for Labor. But there are other polls for those who look. I’ve found a credible, representative poll which I don’t think has got anywhere near enough attention. It’s this one by Essential Vision, (the poll is at the top of the post) from January 14, 2013. In a scathing review of Abbott’s popularity amongst his party’s supporters, approximately 1 in 5 Liberal voters responded that they don’t know who their preferred Prime Minister is, out of two options, Gillard or Abbott. It does beg the question, what exactly would this man, Tony Abbott, need to do to have a negative story about him and his unpopularity in the mainstream press? So far he’s Mr Teflon. But writers from independent media like me, who don’t have a vested interest in a Coalition victory, and who have free and unfettered access to facts, rational analysis and our own ideas, are now able to publically provide an alternative opinion of opinion polls. Here’s my analysis of the reason why, amongst all left-wingers and a surprisingly large number of right-wingers, Abbott is as popular as a wet fart in a lift. And why his popularity is only going to get worse as the election gets nearer:
Abbott doesn’t play fair
Australia, being a sporting obsessed country, hates cheaters and bad sports. And bad losers are the worst bad sports of all. When Julia Gillard beat Abbott in the 2010 election negotiations to form a minority government, Abbott’s response has been the longest, most melodramatic toddler-like sour grapes dummy spit the political world has ever seen. When every opportunity for bipartisan support of policies that have widespread community benefits has been stomped on and rejected, Abbott is left looking like someone who has taken his bat and ball home. In other words, a bad loser.
With this ‘bad sport’ perception already permeating through the electorate, the last thing Abbott needs is for more evidence to come to light that his team has not been playing fair in their mission to overturn the Labor government and to cause an early election. Of course, most of the required evidence for public outrage has already come to light in the behavior of Mal Brough in regards to the Ashbygate/Slipper affair. Remember the Judge Rares statement that Abbott didn’t read? However, for the time being, the mainstream media is going to great pains not to investigate who exactly was involved in the conspiracy the judge described. But surely the facts won’t remain hidden for much longer? Not when so many excellent independent investigators are hot on the heels of the story. I can’t help but think of that Cricket game in 1981 when Trevor Chappell bowled underarm to stop the New Zealanders hitting a six and winning the game. The New Zealand PM said at the time that it was:

“the most disgusting incident I can recall in the history of cricket”.


This line would work quite well to describe how the Australian public will feel when the full details of Ashbygate are revealed. I wonder if Abbott wakes up every day wondering if today is the day that a rebel journalist, or an independent media outlet, will finally break the full details of his colleagues’ involvement. And perhaps his own covert trickery as well. Tick, tick, tick.




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Ten steps forward, twenty steps back
A recent post by conservative blogger, Iain Hall on the AIMN, outlines what it is to be a conservative. Hall explains:
“conservatives like me don’t totally disavow social change but we do want any changes to be slow considered and incremental.”

There is no doubt that Abbott is the most conservative Opposition leader Australia has ever seen. But I don’t think Hall’s description does justice to just how right-wing Abbott really is. Instead of promoting beneficial social change in a ‘slow and incremental’ fashion, Abbott is instead going after anything that looks like a progressive social reform, and taking to it with a chainsaw. It’s as if he decided from the outset of Gillard’s 2010 election win that her time as Prime Minister would be totally erased if he were to gain power in 2013, or earlier. As if to accentuate his view that the Labor government has been illegitimate, he’s promising to ‘axe’, ‘repeal’ or ‘turn back’ every beneficial policy that Labor has, against the odds, delivered, or is working to deliver. The Carbon Tax. The National Disability Insurance Scheme.

The National Broadband Network. The Mining Tax. The rise in the tax free threshold.  The Gonski education funding reforms. I could go on.
I must admit that I’ve never met a true conservative, as Hall describes, who is even willing to entertain the notion that social change needs to happen at all, incrementally or not. In my experience, conservative right-wingers are hand-breaks. They have either been born at the top of the social ladder and feel it’s therefore their right to kick the ladder down to stop anyone below climbing up it. Or they’ve managed to climb someway up the ladder and are sabotaging the rungs as they ascend. Either way, their main objective is status quo – keeping things pretty for themselves and ensuring no one else can come up to meet them. But Abbott isn’t just content with status quo. The hard fought progressive wins of the Gillard government, in Abbott’s ideal scenario, will be nothing but dead, buried and cremated.
It’s quite obvious that I am appalled by Abbott’s plans to put the country into reverse gear, but what does everyone else think? I know it’s unorthodox to report on polls that have anything to do with policy. It’s just that I figure policy is kind of important when it comes to an election. Crazy, I know. This Essential Vision poll from this week, which again, I have not seen reported in the mainstream media, shows that 55% of those polled approve of the Mining Tax. In this poll from November last year, 69% of those polled support the NBN. And in this poll from October, 58% support the NDIS. So with all this democratic support for policies that Abbott promises to get rid of, it will be very interesting to see how voters’ policy opinions influence their decisions come September.

And what about the policy which is supposedly the most ‘toxic’ for Labor: the Carbon Price? Again, the not much heard of Essential Vision poll from January 29 shows that 50% of people oppose this tax. This obviously still does not put the policy in a winning position. But when you consider the millions of dollars spent by vested interests to fight the ‘Carbon Tax’, the bullshit biased reporting of the policy by the mainstream press and Abbott’s permanent stunt-inspired and fear-inducing strategy of spreading negativity and mistruths across every corner of the country, this poll shows the Carbon Price is nowhere near as unpopular as most would believe.



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There is also a giant elephant in the room when it comes to Carbon Pricing that Abbott will be hoping is going to be ignored over the next few months. That is President Obama’s intentions to implement a market for carbon in the United States. Obama’s plans vindicate Labor’s reasoning that their policy would be a trailblazer for larger economies to model their plans on. The President’s policy announcement also shows that, were Abbott to repeal the Carbon Price, Australia would be lagging behind one of our most important allies in taking worldwide action to reduce the catastrophic effects of climate change. When the world’s mega economy, China, is also looking at implementing a carbon price amongst other environmental policies, it makes Abbott’s scaremongering over Australia’s policy look even more backward and self-serving. Who wants to be a follower and not a leader? And worse, who wants to be an ex-leader who took ten steps forward and twenty steps back? It is my prediction that the 50% who oppose the Carbon Tax will at least have cause to consider when they see other large nations, including China, the US and South Africa, implement their climate change policies.
I know ordinarily if Abbott were worried that he was headed for a bad poll, he’d put on a high vis vest, pick up a shovel and wheel out Margie plus two of three daughters. His current strategy seems to be of the hide and run away kind. The mainstream media have been working a treat, publishing every fluff piece Peta Credlin produces, focusing on unfounded Labor leadership tensions and generally turning Labor bashing into a national sport. But I just don’t think the electorate will be fooled for much longer. Call me delusional, call me an optimist. I don’t care. I stick by my prediction that Gillard will win the September election. There is plenty of evidence to show that Abbott’s popularity has peaked, and that is why I think it’s all downhill from here for the mainstream media’s favorite horse. Whether Rupert and Gina like it or not.





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Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
has anyone looked at the essentialvision website and see who works there?

fantastic reference unwise one - NOT!!
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The Australian Independent Media Network

About AIMN...

We all know just how manipulative, dishonest, sensationalist, gutless, unfair and unbalanced is the media in this country. If, like me, you believe they need to be held accountable for the gross display of injustice they push down the throats of the Australian public then this is the thread in which to voice your opinion.



So how does AIMN take up the cudgels and fight the good fight? We get ALP friendly tosh thrown at us. AIMN is just as bad and bias as the MSM.
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:16pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 3:59pm:
has anyone looked at the essentialvision website and see who works there?

fantastic reference unwise one - NOT!!


I'd be more interested in the questions asked and how the poll was conducted.
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
So maqqa you are happy with all the bullshyte about the labor party and Julia Gillard that Rupert and Gina puts into Fairfax and News Limited papers.

But as soon as someone tells the truth about Abbott you attack the site and can't comment on what they are saying.

Do we have to wait until Monday for Liberal Party HQ to open so you can get your instructions on what to say
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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:27pm
 
salad in wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:14pm:
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The Australian Independent Media Network

About AIMN...

We all know just how manipulative, dishonest, sensationalist, gutless, unfair and unbalanced is the media in this country. If, like me, you believe they need to be held accountable for the gross display of injustice they push down the throats of the Australian public then this is the thread in which to voice your opinion.



So how does AIMN take up the cudgels and fight the good fight? We get ALP friendly tosh thrown at us. AIMN is just as bad and bias as the MSM.



here you go salad have your say on the site

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Good morning all.

This is just a quick update on The AIMN’s direction.

You may have noticed that we have become an outlet for left-wing opinion. This is not so unsurprising in the environment of independent or social media as it is generally the case that those with a lean to the right have safe haven within the shrines of the mainstream media (MSM). The rule of thumb in the MSM is simple: no lefties allowed. Hence we gather elsewhere. Such as here and similar abodes.

However, that is not to say that we don’t want people with alternate views to be shared with us. Actually, we do, and all here would like to encourage it. So the call goes out: are there any non-left readers out there who think we need more balance politically and who is chaffing at the bit to have their say by way of writing for us? If there are none, then we’re more than happy to keep doing what we’re doing.

We cop a bit of criticism for having a left-wing bias but if we can’t find someone amongst those critics to balance the scales then life will still go on regardless. We’ll still be left-wing and they’ll still be complaining about it.

I’m of the opinion that those who do write for us are doing a fantastic job and I find their enthusiasm inspiring.

In other ‘news’, we will soon be providing some science topics and I am excited about those. It adds a new dimension, as do John Lord’s discussions on society (or even mine on Aboriginal Australia).

But there’s more! We’re in the process of shoring up interviews with politicians, public identities or people of interest and we’re hoping to bring these to you on a weekly basis. We aim to be more than just a political blog, which is what we have become but which is something we will always retain regardless. In an election year especially, there is a large demand for blogs.

For those who have been supporting us since we opened our doors five weeks ago, we extend our appreciation.


So pull your finger out of you arse and write something on the site
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Appendix – Methodology
The data gathered for this report is gathered from a weekly online omnibus conducted by Your Source. Your Source is an Australian social and market research company specializing in recruitment, field research, data gathering and data analysis. Your Source holds Interviewer Quality Control Australia (IQCA) accreditation, Association Market and Social Research Organisations (AMSRO) membership and World Association of Opinion and Marketing Research Professionals (ESOMAR) membership. Senior Your Source staff hold Australian Market and Social Research Society (AMSRS) membership and are bound by professional codes of behavior.

Essential Research has been utilizing the Your Source online panel to conduct research on a week by week basis since November 2007. Each Monday, the team at Essential Media Communications discusses issues that are topical. From there a series of questions are devised to put to the Australian public. Some questions are repeated each week (such as political preference and social perspective), while others are unique to each week and reflect prominent media and social issues that are present at the time.

Your Source has a self-managed consumer online panel of over 100,000 members. The majority of panel members have been recruited using off line methodologies, effectively ruling out concerns associated with online self-selection. Your Source has validation methods in place that prevent panelist over use and ensure member authenticity. Your Source randomly selects 18+ males and females (with the aim of targeting 50/50 males/females) from its Australia wide panel. An invitation is sent out to approximately 7000 – 8000 of their panel members. The response rate varies each week, but usually delivers 1000+ responses. The Your Source online omnibus is live from the Wednesday night of each week and closed on the following Sunday. Incentives are offered to participants in the form of points.

EMC uses the Statistical Package for the Social Sciences (SPSS) software to analyse the data. The data is weighted against Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) data.


Anyone know how essential vision went at the last federal election.

http://essentialvision.com.au/documents/essential_report_130129.pdf
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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:35pm
 
John S wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
So maqqa you are happy with all the bullshyte about the labor party and Julia Gillard that Rupert and Gina puts into Fairfax and News Limited papers.

But as soon as someone tells the truth about Abbott you attack the site and can't comment on what they are saying.

Do we have to wait until Monday for Liberal Party HQ to open so you can get your instructions on what to say



alot better than the bu11sh1t you put out

and even then it still shows Labor trailing by the same margin  Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:40pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:35pm:
John S wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
So maqqa you are happy with all the bullshyte about the labor party and Julia Gillard that Rupert and Gina puts into Fairfax and News Limited papers.

But as soon as someone tells the truth about Abbott you attack the site and can't comment on what they are saying.

Do we have to wait until Monday for Liberal Party HQ to open so you can get your instructions on what to say



alot better than the bu11sh1t you put out

and even then it still shows Labor trailing by the same margin  Grin Grin


Which suggests their methodology might be working.
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Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:43pm
 
MOTR wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:40pm:
Maqqa wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:35pm:
John S wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:20pm:
So maqqa you are happy with all the bullshyte about the labor party and Julia Gillard that Rupert and Gina puts into Fairfax and News Limited papers.

But as soon as someone tells the truth about Abbott you attack the site and can't comment on what they are saying.

Do we have to wait until Monday for Liberal Party HQ to open so you can get your instructions on what to say



alot better than the bu11sh1t you put out

and even then it still shows Labor trailing by the same margin  Grin Grin


Which suggests their methodology might be working.


Or they copied and paste
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Unlikely, Maqqa.
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MOTR wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:44pm:
Unlikely, Maqqa.


in your eyes

if it's bad for Labor - then it's unlikely

but if it's bad for the LIBs - then snowflakes chance becomes a certainty despite facts pointing a different direction
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Reply #14 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:24pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
MOTR wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:44pm:
Unlikely, Maqqa.


in your eyes

if it's bad for Labor - then it's unlikely

but if it's bad for the LIBs - then snowflakes chance becomes a certainty despite facts pointing a different direction


Grow up Maqqa. Have a look yourself. My bet is that they are a legitimate concern. Surely there are some sort of laws to protect legitimate concerns from half baked defamations like yours.

http://essentialvision.com.au/

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