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Reply #45 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

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Reply #46 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

it has taken 3 months for you to accept that 16 year pause. the fact that it took the UN IPCC to prove it to you is deeply disturbing. plus you are wrong in that there has NOT been warming in the last 16 years - not statistically speaking.

It has been an interesting experience watching you and your idiot sidekick- rabbitfood - defending the indefensible. for months you said it wasnt true and now you finally admit - without further evidence - that we were right. and what changed?? a train driver said it was true.

while you go on and on about deniers and sceptics remember that the one thing they have in common is a refusal to blindly swallow an orthodoxy simply because some group of scientists say so. However you DO blindly accept an orthodoxy and cherry pick the data to support it.

watch now as temperatures over the next 10 years fall slightly and watch just as predictably the IPCC and is cabal of goons continue to call it global warming. Make sure you are not one of them.

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Reply #47 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm

We all know the atmosphere is just an open sewer that we can pour pollution into without any consequences to us or the planet.
Its just common sense and all you greenie communist tree huggers should stop lying just so you can rip govts off to buy new Aston Martins and bottles of Krug to spoil your high class hookers with.

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Reply #48 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:46pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

what it means is that we know bugger-all about climate. we still cant predict tomorrows weather with an accuracy above that of seers of 5000 years ago. every single climate model has been a spectacular failure in predicting real-world results. climate is extraordinarily complex and makes particle physics look simple. The difference is that particle physicists dont say that it IS simple or that the science is settled. We leave that to the arrogance fools called climate scientists and the IPCC

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Reply #49 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:47pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

We all know the atmosphere is just an open sewer that we can pour pollution into without any consequences to us or the planet.
Its just common sense and all you greenie communist tree huggers should stop lying just so you can rip govts off to buy new Aston Martins and bottles of Krug to spoil your high class hookers with.

moron

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Reply #50 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

it has taken 3 months for you to accept that 16 year pause. the fact that it took the UN IPCC to prove it to you is deeply disturbing. plus you are wrong in that there has NOT been warming in the last 16 years - not statistically speaking.

It has been an interesting experience watching you and your idiot sidekick- rabbitfood - defending the indefensible. for months you said it wasnt true and now you finally admit - without further evidence - that we were right. and what changed?? a train driver said it was true.

while you go on and on about deniers and sceptics remember that the one thing they have in common is a refusal to blindly swallow an orthodoxy simply because some group of scientists say so. However you DO blindly accept an orthodoxy and cherry pick the data to support it.

watch now as temperatures over the next 10 years fall slightly and watch just as predictably the IPCC and is cabal of goons continue to call it global warming. Make sure you are not one of them.

You are a liar, longy. I never suggested that you couldn't construct a statistical pause. What I've always questioned is what that means in reality. And what it means is that an exceptionally hot outlier has become the norm. Look at the 5 year period around 1998 and the last 5 years. If you can't see that the planet has got warmer, you really are a dill.

By the way, longy, if you pick 1999, you certainly have a 16 year warming trend.

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Reply #52 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:57pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

it has taken 3 months for you to accept that 16 year pause. the fact that it took the UN IPCC to prove it to you is deeply disturbing. plus you are wrong in that there has NOT been warming in the last 16 years - not statistically speaking.

It has been an interesting experience watching you and your idiot sidekick- rabbitfood - defending the indefensible. for months you said it wasnt true and now you finally admit - without further evidence - that we were right. and what changed?? a train driver said it was true.

while you go on and on about deniers and sceptics remember that the one thing they have in common is a refusal to blindly swallow an orthodoxy simply because some group of scientists say so. However you DO blindly accept an orthodoxy and cherry pick the data to support it.

watch now as temperatures over the next 10 years fall slightly and watch just as predictably the IPCC and is cabal of goons continue to call it global warming. Make sure you are not one of them.

You are a liar, longy. I never suggested that you couldn't construct a statistical pause. What I've always questioned is what that means in reality. And what it means is that an exceptionally hot outlier has become the norm. Look at the 5 year period around 1998 and the last 5 years. If you can't see that the planet has got warmer, you really are a dill.

By the way, longy, if you pick 1999, you certainly have a 16 year warming trend.

that's called cherry picking of data which is a climate hysterics favorite tool. no one is saying the GW hasn't occurred. what we are saying and you have FINALLY ADMITTED is that in the last 17 years there has not been any statistically significant warming. and that doesn't mean just the 1st and 17th year. "statistically' implies EVERY year.

IM not overly fussed by the pause. In is own right it is relatively meaningless unless it is followed by a drop. what HAS been very illuminating is watching the hysterics come out one-by-one saying it hasn't happened and it will never happen and btw the world is going to die and the ooops... apparently the train driver disagrees and suddenly there IS a pause.

the ACC crowd is a religion with its own pope and this week the pope spoke and the faithful rallied around.

Meanwhile in the land of actual real scientist - aka skeptics by nature - we smile and move on knowing what weve always known to be true. its a hyped up non-catastrophe.

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Reply #54 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:47pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

We all know the atmosphere is just an open sewer that we can pour pollution into without any consequences to us or the planet.
Its just common sense and all you greenie communist tree huggers should stop lying just so you can rip govts off to buy new Aston Martins and bottles of Krug to spoil your high class hookers with.

moron

Im agreeing with you...in stating that treating our atmosphere as an open sewer in which we can pour billions of tonnes of pollution into will never create problems for us or future generations.
Why so aggressive?

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Reply #55 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:06pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

What. Now you are gibbery and drooling as well as linking to a freaks video who shows nothing at all.

You accept that there has been a 17 year pause, but then you go on with this shite
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warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

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Reply #56 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:07pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:00pm:

I'm tipping a fall in temperatures soon, its going to be hilarious watching the climate change death cult explain that one Grin

remember that a fall in temperatures doesnt disprove gw. in fact, is there ANYTHING that could ever disprove GW? Not according to the hysterics? after all didnt the IPCC just this week say it would require 60 years of no temperature change to say that GW had even PAUSED?

in any religion there is no possible way to disprove its tenets. ACC is a religion.

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Reply #57 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:08pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:47pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

We all know the atmosphere is just an open sewer that we can pour pollution into without any consequences to us or the planet.
Its just common sense and all you greenie communist tree huggers should stop lying just so you can rip govts off to buy new Aston Martins and bottles of Krug to spoil your high class hookers with.

moron

Im agreeing with you...in stating that treating our atmosphere as an open sewer in which we can pour billions of tonnes of pollution into will never create problems for us or future generations.
Why so aggressive?

still a moron, with a touch of SOB to boot.

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Reply #58 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:27pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

What. Now you are gibbery and drooling as well as linking to a freaks video who shows nothing at all.

You accept that there has been a 17 year pause, but then you go on with this shite
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warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

Richard Alley has authored more than 170 refereed scientific publications about the relationships between Earth's cryosphere and global climate change. He is recognised by the Institute for Scientific Information as a "highly cited researcher." He is certainly not a freak.

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Reply #59 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:57pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Of course I accept that there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric warming over the last 17 years. Just as I accept there has been warming trend over the last 16 years and a warming trend over the last 18 years. You have to cherry pick 17 years for this to be statistically correct.

What does it mean in the real world. It means that what was once an extremely hot outlier is now normal.

Did the cooling trend that lasted 21 years between 1957 and 1978 mean the end of the long term warming trend? No it didn't. The physics hasn't magically changed. Our planet is accumulating heat, and it will only be a matter of time before this particular statistical trick disappears.

it has taken 3 months for you to accept that 16 year pause. the fact that it took the UN IPCC to prove it to you is deeply disturbing. plus you are wrong in that there has NOT been warming in the last 16 years - not statistically speaking.

It has been an interesting experience watching you and your idiot sidekick- rabbitfood - defending the indefensible. for months you said it wasnt true and now you finally admit - without further evidence - that we were right. and what changed?? a train driver said it was true.

while you go on and on about deniers and sceptics remember that the one thing they have in common is a refusal to blindly swallow an orthodoxy simply because some group of scientists say so. However you DO blindly accept an orthodoxy and cherry pick the data to support it.

watch now as temperatures over the next 10 years fall slightly and watch just as predictably the IPCC and is cabal of goons continue to call it global warming. Make sure you are not one of them.

You are a liar, longy. I never suggested that you couldn't construct a statistical pause. What I've always questioned is what that means in reality. And what it means is that an exceptionally hot outlier has become the norm. Look at the 5 year period around 1998 and the last 5 years. If you can't see that the planet has got warmer, you really are a dill.

By the way, longy, if you pick 1999, you certainly have a 16 year warming trend.

that's called cherry picking of data which is a climate hysterics favorite tool. no one is saying the GW hasn't occurred. what we are saying and you have FINALLY ADMITTED is that in the last 17 years there has not been any statistically significant warming. and that doesn't mean just the 1st and 17th year. "statistically' implies EVERY year.

IM not overly fussed by the pause. In is own right it is relatively meaningless unless it is followed by a drop. what HAS been very illuminating is watching the hysterics come out one-by-one saying it hasn't happened and it will never happen and btw the world is going to die and the ooops... apparently the train driver disagrees and suddenly there IS a pause.

the ACC crowd is a religion with its own pope and this week the pope spoke and the faithful rallied around.

Meanwhile in the land of actual real scientist - aka skeptics by nature - we smile and move on knowing what weve always known to be true. its a hyped up non-catastrophe.

There is nothing to finally admit. I never questioned the fact that you could cherry pick 1998 to create a statistical pause. However, see what happens when you pick 1997 or 1999.

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