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Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:19pm
 
Who would have thought an elected politician would be denied his Freedom of Speech on this country

http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2013/02/wilders-perth-speech-cancelled.html
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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:54pm
 
Leftists doing what leftists do. Silence the opposition in anyway possible.
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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:59am
 
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scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside.


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We realise anti-democratic hate groups will now be dancing in the streets. But this is not the end of it; and sadly they are blinded and do not realise they are dancing on the grave of free speech. Freedom of speech is an absolute; freedom knows no left or right.


Grin Grin Hillarious. What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

Just so we're clear: freedom of speech, according to these whingers, is for one side to hold a meeting in which one point of view is expressed unopposed. But we can't possibly have democratic protestors, protesting peacefully outside the venue and challenging those views. That, apparently, is "anti-democratic".

Pathetic losers.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:06am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:59am:
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scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside.


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We realise anti-democratic hate groups will now be dancing in the streets. But this is not the end of it; and sadly they are blinded and do not realise they are dancing on the grave of free speech. Freedom of speech is an absolute; freedom knows no left or right.


Grin Grin Hillarious. What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

Just so we're clear: freedom of speech, according to these whingers, is for one side to hold a meeting in which one point of view is expressed unopposed. But we can't possibly have democratic protestors, protesting peacefully outside the venue and challenging those views. That, apparently, is "anti-democratic".

Pathetic losers.



It's the threat of violence by Muslim mobs, not 'democratic protest'. By contrast, Christians picket all sorts of movies and events, none of which have been cancelled because nobody thinks that there would be any violence. The worst that ever happens at those pickets is out of tune singing of a dirge or three.






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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:15am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:59am:
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scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside.


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We realise anti-democratic hate groups will now be dancing in the streets. But this is not the end of it; and sadly they are blinded and do not realise they are dancing on the grave of free speech. Freedom of speech is an absolute; freedom knows no left or right.


Grin Grin Hillarious. What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

Just so we're clear: freedom of speech, according to these whingers, is for one side to hold a meeting in which one point of view is expressed unopposed. But we can't possibly have democratic protestors, protesting peacefully outside the venue and challenging those views. That, apparently, is "anti-democratic".

Pathetic losers.


"Protesting peacefully"?! Leftists mobs always invariably turn violent when they protest. Add some Muslims to the mix and you've got a dangerous cocktail.


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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
rubbish, both of you.

There is no evidence that there was any threat of violence, nor was there any suggestion that the venue holder was the subject of intimidation. All the article mentions is the host was " scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside."

Interpretation: the venue holder doesn't want to be the subject of bad publicity and scrutiny over why they thought it was a good idea to host a world-renowned bigot and hate monger.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:59am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:25am:
rubbish, both of you.

There is no evidence that there was any threat of violence, nor was there any suggestion that the venue holder was the subject of intimidation. All the article mentions is the host was " scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside."

Interpretation: the venue holder doesn't want to be the subject of bad publicity and scrutiny over why they thought it was a good idea to host a world-renowned bigot and hate monger.


Arh, it didn't take long for the compulsory trendy slogans to come out: "I disagree with them so they must be a 'bigot' and 'hate monger'".

Well, two can play that game. You're a bigot for being intolerant of Wilders and anyone you disagree with on any subject.

Bigot has no political affiliation; it's a neutral term that simply means intolerance. It's just trendies like yourself have highjacked the term and claim that anything that disagrees with you is 'bigoted.'

I admit, I am bigoted toward some things. I'll put my position up front and disagree with whomever for everyone to see. Dishonest people like yourself, however, like to hide behind slogans and claim to be fighting for freedom and then tar your opponent with bigot and hate-monger. Well, it won't work with me, buddy.

Wilders has every right to speak of the problem of Islam. The Islamic countries have produced nothing of value for 800 years. Submission to a transcendental deity over earthly concerns will do that. If pointing this out is bigoted, so be it.
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:04am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:25am:
rubbish, both of you.

There is no evidence that there was any threat of violence, nor was there any suggestion that the venue holder was the subject of intimidation. All the article mentions is the host was " scared by the possibility of anti-democratic fringe groups holding a protest outside."

Interpretation: the venue holder doesn't want to be the subject of bad publicity and scrutiny over why they thought it was a good idea to host a world-renowned bigot and hate monger.


Pathetic, and you know it.

An unnamed four-star CBD hotel had been set to host Wilders but pulled out late on Tuesday.



I wonder what changed overnight.  The hotel only just learned who he was?
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
I hate Wilders because he hates me - simple.

He would have me and my kind driven out of western society. He labels my personal beliefs and lifestyle (which I practice peacefully and affects no one but me) as "not a religion but a dangerous ideology".

He hates my religion, and he hates me and all other muslims - and he promotes that hate through his public office. I'm not sure what else you would think would fit the definition of "hate monger". Its the incitement and hatred espoused by him and his ilk that contributes to such acts as the massacre of innocent students by Anders Breivik.

But thats not what this episode is about: this is about you people having double standards about what constitutes democracy. Protesting outside a venue where political ideas are being espoused, is a democratic right - regardless of how embarassed or uneasy that makes the people inside feel. You people would strip away this democratic right and call it "real democracy". For you people, democracy is a one way street - you get to express your views, but everyone else is silenced.
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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:20am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:11am:
I hate Wilders because he hates me - simple.

He would have me and my kind driven out of western society. He labels my personal beliefs and lifestyle (which I practice peacefully and affects no one but me) as "not a religion but a dangerous ideology".

He hates my religion, and he hates me and all other muslims - and he promotes that hate through his public office. I'm not sure what else you would think would fit the definition of "hate monger". Its the incitement and hatred espoused by him and his ilk that contributes to such acts as the massacre of innocent students by Anders Breivik.

But thats not what this episode is about: this is about you people having double standards about what constitutes democracy. Protesting outside a venue where political ideas are being espoused, is a democratic right - regardless of how embarassed or uneasy that makes the people inside feel. You people would strip away this democratic right and call it "real democracy". For you people, democracy is a one way street - you get to express your views, but everyone else is silenced.


If Muslims made up close to or over 50% of the population, it would no longer resemble anything like a democracy. Do you think they'll vote for a liberal democratic candidate over an Islamic one? No they won't. And when they vote Islamic candidates in the country will start to resemble one of the backwaters of the Middle east. Submission to Allah will trump political pragmatism.

I am not hypocritical on this, my position is clear. I will not tolerate any Islamic influence in politics, nor any of the extreme leftist views like you find on university campuses and in the Greens.
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:47am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:11am:
I hate Wilders because he hates me - simple.

He would have me and my kind driven out of western society. He labels my personal beliefs and lifestyle (which I practice peacefully and affects no one but me) as "not a religion but a dangerous ideology".

He hates my religion, and he hates me and all other muslims - and he promotes that hate through his public office. I'm not sure what else you would think would fit the definition of "hate monger". Its the incitement and hatred espoused by him and his ilk that contributes to such acts as the massacre of innocent students by Anders Breivik.

But thats not what this episode is about: this is about you people having double standards about what constitutes democracy. Protesting outside a venue where political ideas are being espoused, is a democratic right - regardless of how embarassed or uneasy that makes the people inside feel. You people would strip away this democratic right and call it "real democracy". For you people, democracy is a one way street - you get to express your views, but everyone else is silenced.


Chicken or the egg? You hate him because he hates Muslims. He hates Muslims because of the fact they hate his type and way of life. Since he was living happily in his own country before the Islamic plague moved into his neighbourhood, unlike the chicken paradox, we know in this situation what actually came first.
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:03am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:11am:
I hate Wilders because he hates me - simple.

He would have me and my kind driven out of western society. He labels my personal beliefs and lifestyle (which I practice peacefully and affects no one but me) as "not a religion but a dangerous ideology".

He hates my religion, and he hates me and all other muslims - and he promotes that hate through his public office. I'm not sure what else you would think would fit the definition of "hate monger". Its the incitement and hatred espoused by him and his ilk that contributes to such acts as the massacre of innocent students by Anders Breivik.

But thats not what this episode is about: this is about you people having double standards about what constitutes democracy. Protesting outside a venue where political ideas are being espoused, is a democratic right - regardless of how embarassed or uneasy that makes the people inside feel. You people would strip away this democratic right and call it "real democracy". For you people, democracy is a one way street - you get to express your views, but everyone else is silenced.



You, like every other Muslim, simply want to silence criticism of Islam. That's why Muslims kill people over cartoons, youtube vids, books.
Muslims need to do this a few times only to get everyone scared about making critical remarks about Islam in public or private.


Here's what Mark Stey said about Lars Hegedaraard whom Muslims tried to kill recently, in Denmark, for something he said in private in his own flat:

I received a couple of emails from prominent persons saying wasn't I a bit worried that some of the people here are a bit controversial and it might not be a good idea to be seen in the same room as them. And that's a fair point. Obviously, it would be far safer for one's reputation to appear in the same room as less controversial figures such as the chaps appearing last weekend at the Muslim Council of Calgary's big event in Alberta. Their keynote speaker was the Saudi-educated imam Dr Bilal Phillips, who's on record as saying that every male homosexual should be executed. He later clarified his position: He only wants all male homosexuals in Muslim countries executed. "The media tends to take my words out of context," he said.

Also on the bill was the moderate Muslim Shaykh Hatem Alhaj, who supports the introduction of female genital mutilation to North America. But he's a "moderate" Muslim because he only believes in nicking the clitoris rather than slicing the thing right off. So the head of the Calgary Police Diversity Unit and multiple representatives of the Canadian state had no problem whatsoever being in the same room as Messrs Alhaj and Phillips.

There is literally nothing a prominent Muslim can say – about gays, about Jews, about women – that would render him persona non grata. That's the world we live in: sharing a stage with a man calling for compulsory execution for homosexuals isn't controversial; sharing a stage with Lars Hedegaard is."

He could have said it about Wilders.




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Re: Geert Wilders cancelled in Perth
Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:05am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:11am:
I hate Wilders because he hates me - simple.



He actually loves you. He only hates the sin, not the sinner.  Cheesy


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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:16pm
 
The speech should have gone ahead regardless of the catalyst involved to halt the event.

It's a real kick in the guts to all of our past and present soldiers who think/thought that they were upholding something in this country.

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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2013 at 1:00pm
 
Amadd wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
The speech should have gone ahead regardless of the catalyst involved to halt the event.

It's a real kick in the guts to all of our past and present soldiers who think/thought that they were upholding something in this country.




No, it isn't. Wilders was permitted entry. He hasn't been gagged in any way, as his appearance in Melbourne proves. If anybody did indeed threaten the venues or Wilders himself, they will be prosecuted. Sounds like good, solid democracy to me.
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