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Reply #60 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:36pm:
to show a fiugre and say 'this is how much debt' ... and thats all the information you give is ridiculous .... I can tell you I have a $1`million debt , does that mean anything to you?
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now what if I tell you that $1million debt is for a $100million investment .... does that sound quite the same, or is your thinking changing slightly?


Yeh I know. The good debt and bad debt argument Grin

1.3 trillion or 1,300 billion or 1,300,000 million invested in non productive assets doesn't mean anything to you ?

Are you fricken kidding me !!

Who's paying off the interest let alone the principle ?

Hong Kong has woken up to the property bubble. How come ? Surely there must be people in Hong Kong just as smart as you Grin

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Hong Kong Takes Steps to Avert Real Estate Bubble

HONG KONG — Hong Kong is raising stamp duties and trying to restrict home loans, officials said Friday, to cool down a real estate market that has some of the most expensive apartments in the world.

Financial Secretary John Tsang said “exuberance has regained momentum” in the Hong Kong market, and for this reason stamp duties for apartments would be increased across the board for most buyers.

Mr. Tsang said the measures were needed to keep the potential economic risk from spreading. “The risk of an asset bubble is increasing,” he said. “If we allow the bubble to grow, in the end it will affect the macroeconomy and also the stability of the financial system. It will be very damaging to society.”

For apartments costing less than 2 million Hong Kong dollars, or $258,000, the stamp duty of 100 dollars will now be 1.5 percent of the transaction price, while the stamp duty for other properties will be doubled to as much as 8.5 percent of the residential transaction price.

The increased stamp duties will not apply to Hong Kong residents buying residential property for the first time, and other limited exemptions are possible.

The government also said it would standardize the stamp duty program for nonresidential real estate like shops, factories, offices and parking spaces to avoid a flood of speculative money into these other categories.

The city’s low interest rates, tight housing supply and abundant liquidity contributed to a 2 percent increase in real estate prices in January, Mr. Tsang said. Residential property prices have risen 120 percent since 2008.

Meanwhile, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority, the city’s de facto central bank, issued mandatory guidelines to banks to tighten home loan approval criteria for all commercial and industrial real estate, including maximum loan-to-value ratios of mortgage loans. These ratios would be lowered 10 percentage points from existing applicable levels.

Some analysts expected the latest measures to help slow the rise in real estate prices, for now.

“There will be a big impact in the short term, the transactions will decrease, as well as speculation,” said Thomas Lam, director of research at Knight Frank. But the government “will do more if the property price continues to increase after three months.”

The government has been taking steps to cool the market since October 2009, including a 15 percent property tax for foreign buyers, mortgage restrictions and taxes on quick resales.

Also Friday, the Chinese National Bureau of Statistics released data indicating that new-home prices on the mainland rose an average of 0.8 percent in January from a year earlier, raising the possibly that Beijing might stiffen a three-year campaign to calm the market.

Compared with December, home prices in 70 major Chinese cities rose an average of 0.7 percent in January, after a 0.4 percent rise in December from the previous month, according to Reuters calculations.

On Wednesday, the Chinese cabinet repeated its intention to extend a pilot property-tax program to more cities and urged the local authorities again to put price-control targets on new homes, in a bid to calm real estate markets. 


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/business/global/23iht-property23.html?_r=0


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Re: Homes That Need Upwards Of $100,000 For Repairs.
Reply #61 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:38pm:
I'll have to continue your education tomorrow ... getting late and I've a busy day ahead.


Just look at that debt clock again John. That's the only education I need Wink Just like a ticking time bomb. Tick-tock-tick-tock.... !!

The interest payments must be absolutely phenomenal particularly on an asset that never returns a dividend !! Maybe I leave it to you as an exercise to work out the interest payments Grin

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Reply #62 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
1.3 trillion or 1,300 billion or 1,300,000 million invested in non productive assets doesn't mean anything to you ?


against what assets?  for some reason you refuse to look at the whole picture ... you want to look at debt you need to look at what it's for

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:57pm:
The interest payments must be absolutely phenomenal particularly on an asset that never returns a dividend !! Maybe I leave it to you as an exercise to work out the interest payments


you realise that no one person is responsible for all that debt? loans are geared so that you can make your repayments .... no one will lend you money you cannot afford to repay  (or at least they aren't supposed to in Australia ... maybe thats what went wrong in Spain and Hong Kong) .

Never return a dividend? are you kidding me? I bought a house for 98 000 ... paid $30 000 in interest and sold it for $250 000 18 months later.... thats one hell of a dividend and one you couldn't match in 10 yrs of 'investing in technology'....
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Reply #63 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:14am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
1.3 trillion or 1,300 billion or 1,300,000 million invested in non productive assets doesn't mean anything to you ?


against what assets?  for some reason you refuse to look at the whole picture ... you want to look at debt you need to look at what it's for

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:57pm:
The interest payments must be absolutely phenomenal particularly on an asset that never returns a dividend !! Maybe I leave it to you as an exercise to work out the interest payments


you realise that no one person is responsible for all that debt? loans are geared so that you can make your repayments .... no one will lend you money you cannot afford to repay  (or at least they aren't supposed to in Australia ... maybe thats what went wrong in Spain and Hong Kong) .

Never return a dividend? are you kidding me? I bought a house for 98 000 ... paid $30 000 in interest and sold it for $250 000 18 months later.... thats one hell of a dividend and one you couldn't match in 10 yrs of 'investing in technology'....


are you fricken kidding me !! Haven't you ever heard of sub prime loans and no deposit loans where the bank pays 110% of the value of the house ??

And show me one owner occupier of a house that has ever received a dividend cheque for owning that house ? And you making that profit has come from someone else racking up debt. Sad And you talk like you have actually created wealth for the country when you have just created more net debt !! And note that the housing debt clock never goes backwards Sad
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Reply #64 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:34pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:14am:
John Smith wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
1.3 trillion or 1,300 billion or 1,300,000 million invested in non productive assets doesn't mean anything to you ?


against what assets?  for some reason you refuse to look at the whole picture ... you want to look at debt you need to look at what it's for

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:57pm:
The interest payments must be absolutely phenomenal particularly on an asset that never returns a dividend !! Maybe I leave it to you as an exercise to work out the interest payments


you realise that no one person is responsible for all that debt? loans are geared so that you can make your repayments .... no one will lend you money you cannot afford to repay  (or at least they aren't supposed to in Australia ... maybe thats what went wrong in Spain and Hong Kong) .

Never return a dividend? are you kidding me? I bought a house for 98 000 ... paid $30 000 in interest and sold it for $250 000 18 months later.... thats one hell of a dividend and one you couldn't match in 10 yrs of 'investing in technology'....


are you fricken kidding me !! Haven't you ever heard of sub prime loans and no deposit loans where the bank pays 110% of the value of the house ??

Like I've said countless times, I'm talking about Australia ... our banks are more regulated than in the US ... they simply cannot, although I know that for a while they tried


And show me one owner occupier of a house that has ever received a dividend cheque for owning that house ? And you making that profit has come from someone else racking up debt. Sad And you talk like you have actually created wealth for the country when you have just created more net debt !! And note that the housing debt clock never goes backwards Sad

dividend on the house is paid upon sale  .... and the profit to the banks comes from me paying off my debt . you worry about yours, I'll worry about mine. I haven't created any net debt .. I've borrowed money and paid it back ... if banks profit on that, good, they are allowed a profit . I'm not trying to create wealth for the country, I'm trying to create wealth for me ... you need to get past the ideology and come back to reality ,  you'll find reality and ideology are rarely compatible.


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Reply #65 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:34pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:14am:
John Smith wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
1.3 trillion or 1,300 billion or 1,300,000 million invested in non productive assets doesn't mean anything to you ?


against what assets?  for some reason you refuse to look at the whole picture ... you want to look at debt you need to look at what it's for

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:57pm:
The interest payments must be absolutely phenomenal particularly on an asset that never returns a dividend !! Maybe I leave it to you as an exercise to work out the interest payments


you realise that no one person is responsible for all that debt? loans are geared so that you can make your repayments .... no one will lend you money you cannot afford to repay  (or at least they aren't supposed to in Australia ... maybe thats what went wrong in Spain and Hong Kong) .

Never return a dividend? are you kidding me? I bought a house for 98 000 ... paid $30 000 in interest and sold it for $250 000 18 months later.... thats one hell of a dividend and one you couldn't match in 10 yrs of 'investing in technology'....


are you fricken kidding me !! Haven't you ever heard of sub prime loans and no deposit loans where the bank pays 110% of the value of the house ??

Like I've said countless times, I'm talking about Australia ... our banks are more regulated than in the US ... they simply cannot, although I know that for a while they tried


And show me one owner occupier of a house that has ever received a dividend cheque for owning that house ? And you making that profit has come from someone else racking up debt. Sad And you talk like you have actually created wealth for the country when you have just created more net debt !! And note that the housing debt clock never goes backwards Sad

dividend on the house is paid upon sale  .... and the profit to the banks comes from me paying off my debt . you worry about yours, I'll worry about mine. I haven't created any net debt .. I've borrowed money and paid it back ... if banks profit on that, good, they are allowed a profit . I'm not trying to create wealth for the country, I'm trying to create wealth for me ... you need to get past the ideology and come back to reality ,  you'll find reality and ideology are rarely compatible.




jeez that's funny when you buy shares and the underlying business has been profitable you receive a dividend each year as well as the capital gains. Can't say the same about owning a home. Never heard of anyone receiving a dividend cheque on their own home !! Maybe a business actually creates wealth unlike a home Wink
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Reply #66 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:41pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Never heard of anyone receiving a dividend cheque on their own home !!


If you want to argue semantics then it's probably because you've lost the argument ....
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