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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Unions Will Push For Wage Rise For Apprentices. Reply #15 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 11:04am I'm glad medical students dont have a union...
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Reply #16 - Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 7:20pm

cods wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:08am:

and then they wonder why certain jobs are sent offshore...no I dont think apprentices should be underpaid..especially when they are working on the real jobs...but for goodness sakes.. they are learning..if they were doing it in school they wouldnt be paid anything..its all right for the unions who are more interested in drumming up new members...than anything else...but we have already priced ourselves out of markets that we will never get back..

lets see the union forego their fees to these guys whilst they are learning.. hahahah I bet that doesnt happen.

It's fascinating to see cods in her true light. Just another unpleasant union basher. The thought of possible power brings out the worst in some people.

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Reply #17 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:12am

Swagman wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am:

They should be paid in proportion to their productivity. Some bright apprentices are very productive and are indeed under paid as they are paid the same as their under performing workmates because of obsolete collective awards.

Employers are free to pay bright apprentices any amount over the Award/Agreement rates they wish.

The Awards/Agreements merely set the minimum standards: there is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying an employee a higher rate in line with their higher productivity.

You continually demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about industrial relations.

You've made a complete fool of yourself on at least three occasions now.

I'd suggest that you stick to a subject that you know at least something about.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26561 Australia	Re: Unions Will Push For Wage Rise For Apprentices. Reply #18 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 5:15am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 8:36am: I know a second year apprentice plumber who brings home just over $600 per week in the hand. Which is pretty much minimum rent in sydney SOB
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Reply #19 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 5:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:12am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am:

They should be paid in proportion to their productivity. Some bright apprentices are very productive and are indeed under paid as they are paid the same as their under performing workmates because of obsolete collective awards.

Employers are free to pay bright apprentices any amount over the Award/Agreement rates they wish.

The Awards/Agreements merely set the minimum standards: there is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying an employee a higher rate in line with their higher productivity.

You continually demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about industrial relations.

You've made a complete fool of yourself on at least three occasions now.

I'd suggest that you stick to a subject that you know at least something about.

Obviously that is correct but in my experience employers are few and far between who will pay over an award. They have to be forced to pay ppl fairly. Although I did have a job in cairns for a while that paid about twice the award. It was great money. Wasnt an apprenticeship though.

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Reply #20 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 7:26am

Swagman wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am:

They should be paid in proportion to their productivity. Some bright apprentices are very productive and are indeed under paid as they are paid the same as their under performing workmates because of obsolete collective awards.

Most of this type of work is covered by NEW modern awards only a few years old.

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Reply #21 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 11:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:12am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 9:57am:

They should be paid in proportion to their productivity. Some bright apprentices are very productive and are indeed under paid as they are paid the same as their under performing workmates because of obsolete collective awards.

Employers are free to pay bright apprentices any amount over the Award/Agreement rates they wish.

The Awards/Agreements merely set the minimum standards: there is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying an employee a higher rate in line with their higher productivity.

You continually demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about industrial relations.

You've made a complete fool of yourself on at least three occasions now.

I'd suggest that you stick to a subject that you know at least something about.

So Employers are free to offer individual employment agreements to apprentices Pecka? Undecided

What would the Union say to that? Huh

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