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Unions Will Push For Wage Rise For Apprentices.
Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:34am
 
Unions push for apprentices to be paid a living wage
31 January, 2013 | Media Release Unions will push for a wage rise for apprentices to allow them to cope with the cost of living and ease future shortages in skilled trades.

The ACTU today lodged a submission with the Fair Work Commission calling for wages for all apprentices aged under 20 to be a minimum of 60 per cent of the trades rate, or $11.15 an hour. Older apprentices would be required to be paid at the minimum award classification for their job.    

The measure would help turn around apprenticeship completion rates which have dropped to a worrying 55 per cent. One in three apprentices do not even make it through the first year.     Sad

ACTU Secretary Dave Oliver said that the apprenticeship system was failing to keep up with changes in society and apprentices could not meet basic living costs on their current pay.   

“The make-up of Australia’s apprentice workforce has changed dramatically in the past three decades, but pay rates are stuck in a time warp.     Sad

“Apprentices today are no longer 15 or 16 years old -  more than half of them are in their 20s and many have mortgages or children to support.

“While they recognise the long-term value of completing an apprenticeship, severe financial pressures often leave them no choice but to delay or drop out.”

“In some cases apprentices earn barely more than the Newstart allowance.

“For example, a first year electrical apprentice will earn $288.37 a week under their Award, while an 18-year-old trainee at McDonald’s is earning $540 a week – a difference of $251.63.”

Mr Oliver said research showed that low pay was discouraging school leavers from taking up apprenticeships in the first place.     Sad

He warned that unless pay was increased the drop in both start and completion rates would increase and damage Australia’s economic future.

“Apprenticeships have been a cornerstone of the training system in Australia and we want them to stay that way,” Mr Oliver said.

“They provide young people with a combination of work and training that prepares them for a secure job and a career for life.

“They also ensure that Australia’s productivity is not damaged by shortages of important trades.”

The full bench of the Fair Work Commission will begin hearings into the review of wages and conditions for apprentices, trainees and juniors at the start of March. The case is being heard as part of the two-yearly review of the Modern Awards system which came into being in 2010.     Smiley
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Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:36am
 
I know a second year apprentice  plumber who brings home just over $600 per week in the hand.
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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 9:08am
 
and then they wonder why certain jobs are sent offshore...no I dont think apprentices should be underpaid..especially when they are working on the real jobs...but for goodness sakes.. they are learning..if they were doing it in school  they wouldnt be paid anything..its all right for the unions who are more interested in drumming up new members...than anything else...but we have already priced ourselves out of markets that we will never get back..

lets see the union forego their fees to these guys whilst they are learning.. hahahah I bet that doesnt happen.
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Reply #3 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am
 
crook will push for rise in newstart for unemployed apprentices  Wink Wink
union will spend fees on call girls and ice creams  Wink Wink
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Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....
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lets see the union forego their fees to these guys whilst they are learning.. hahahah I bet that doesnt happen.


Think again. Most unions either waiver or heavily discount union dues for apprentices.

For example, with the AMWA, a first year apprentice under the age of 21 will only pay $0.65 a week union dues instead of the usual $10.00.
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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 2:50pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 9:08am:
lets see the union forego their fees to these guys whilst they are learning.. hahahah I bet that doesnt happen.



CFMEU

1st Year Apprentice: no joining fee and no fees for the entire year (full Trade rate = $60 joining fee and $750 for the year).

2nd Year: no joining fee, $20 for the year.

3rd Year: no joining fee, $30 for the year.

4th Year: no joining fee, $40 for the year.


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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
I don't think it goes far enough - they should be paid at least $30 an hour.

Of course, my stance has nothing to do with the fact I'm starting a traineeship in a coupla weeks.  I'm just all about fairness.
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....


There will always be claims that increasing wages costs jobs. But there is no evidence for this.

In NZ, the Clark govt increased the minimum adult wage each year, yet the jobless rate kept dropping. There are many causes of unemployment.
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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....


There will always be claims that increasing wages costs jobs. But there is no evidence for this.

In NZ, the Clark govt increased the minimum adult wage each year, yet the jobless rate kept dropping. There are many causes of unemployment.


If an apprentice costs a firm more to hire without a corresponding increase in the firm's income why would a firm take one on? 

The real cost of the Union's wage push for no logical economic reason is that a potential apprenticeship position for someone else is foregone.  Some kid doesn't get his apprenticeship and ends up on the dole welfare dependent thanks to the union.

......so that's why "Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading" Sad

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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....


There will always be claims that increasing wages costs jobs. But there is no evidence for this.

In NZ, the Clark govt increased the minimum adult wage each year, yet the jobless rate kept dropping. There are many causes of unemployment.


If an apprentice costs a firm more to hire without a corresponding increase in the firm's income why would a firm take one on? 

The real cost of the Union's wage push for no logical economic reason is that a potential apprenticeship position for someone else is foregone.  Some kid doesn't get his apprenticeship and ends up on the dole welfare dependent thanks to the union.

......so that's why "Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading" 


So the only way forward is slave labour.

Rubbish Apprentices have been drastically underpaid for decades, they deserve a catch up.
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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:24am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....



Actually the current apprentice wage level has pushed the youth away from taking this path, to many the wage levels makes this not an option.

Realistic wages could revitalise this sector.
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Reply #12 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:40am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:24am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....



Actually the current apprentice wage level has pushed the youth away from taking this path, to many the wage levels makes this not an option.

Realistic wages could revitalise this sector.



Care to explain that to shareholders why you'd support killing the gross margin?
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:52am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:40am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:24am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....



Actually the current apprentice wage level has pushed the youth away from taking this path, to many the wage levels makes this not an option.

Realistic wages could revitalise this sector.



Care to explain that to shareholders why you'd support killing the gross margin?



Giving 3 apprentices a few extra bucks will destroy a business but giving the CEO a million plus bonus is all ok.

Apprentice rates are still where they were many years ago. It is time for a significant catch up if the process is going to be viable.

Apprentices are very good value after the first learning period they are a solid semi skilled source of cheap reliable labour they often out perform the qualified staff at under a quarter of the cost.

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Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:57am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:19am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:54am:
Yep Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading.....


There will always be claims that increasing wages costs jobs. But there is no evidence for this.

In NZ, the Clark govt increased the minimum adult wage each year, yet the jobless rate kept dropping. There are many causes of unemployment.


If an apprentice costs a firm more to hire without a corresponding increase in the firm's income why would a firm take one on? 

The real cost of the Union's wage push for no logical economic reason is that a potential apprenticeship position for someone else is foregone.  Some kid doesn't get his apprenticeship and ends up on the dole welfare dependent thanks to the union.

......so that's why "Unions will push for less apprentices is a more appropriate heading" 


So the only way forward is slave labour.

Rubbish Apprentices have been drastically underpaid for decades, they deserve a catch up.


They should be paid in proportion to their productivity.  Some bright apprentices are very productive and are indeed under paid as they are paid the same as their under performing workmates because of obsolete collective awards.

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