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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52984 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #30 - Feb 11^th, 2013 at 7:05pm http://lmgtfy.com/?q=learned+hook+avoidance
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52984 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #31 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:36pm Have you figured out what the evidence means yet FriYAY? Perhaps an analogy might help you understand. If I dig up a few examples of children mispelling words, does that mean that children cannot learn to spell?
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #32 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 11:28pm JC Denton wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 2:49pm: fish are smarter than i thought they were Yep .. smarter than you Roberta.
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Reply #33 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 11:45pm

Aye 'tis sad but becoming truer everyday.

My old Mum bless her heart, ... used to say...
there are more fish in the sea, than we've ever taken out of her.....

( and no she wasn't talking about men Roll Eyes

.. altho maybe that was subtext

It is disturbing to realise that this long held belief, no longer holds true.

When stocks become so low, due to over-fishing, as to be unable to replenish... we lose the species... we lose the protein, and we lose another vital part of earth ecology.

We LOSE.

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Reply #34 - Feb 13^th, 2013 at 11:50pm

I've caught fish... on a line... both in salt and fresh water...

and eaten it.
But not lately.
Stuck with ' fisho's ' now.

Never caught a Cod in the Murray tho.
Caught a lovely golden perch, and lots of Carp.... Sad

Caught a monster whiting near the Sundale Bridge

and got spiked by a Bream at the same time and place, more or less.

ATE THEM ALL.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52984 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #35 - Feb 17^th, 2013 at 9:18pm They always taste better when you catch them yourself.
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Reply #36 - Feb 17^th, 2013 at 10:18pm

yummo

Oh but I've never managed to cook and enjoy a carp. There are ways apparently, but I don't know'm.

Still, isn't it scary to hear about the imported fish to Australia.??

Some awful stuff ( not exactly surprising) about the fish sold to us.

I try only to by fresh locally caught ie Aus or NZ fish....
I also try not to purchase overfished species.... but it isn't easy ...

as for fishing personally, now... it is outside my reach... and I also find the destruction of all marine species by our cast off line, netting, and PLASTICS generally... horrifying.

Because it is a process we cannot stop... so...

what is there to do???

Problemo Numero Uno...

TOO MANY PEOPLE>!!!!!! Sad

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Reply #37 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 10:03am

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

Have you figured out what the evidence means yet FriYAY?

Perhaps an analogy might help you understand. If I dig up a few examples of children mispelling words, does that mean that children cannot learn to spell?

As your persona on here suggests you like fishing?

Is it hard to ingore that fact that fish will hook up on a bait/lure - spit the hook then smash the bait/lure again?

And fish with hooks and lures handing out their gob, still smashing baits and lures?

I think i'll stick with the basics of fish and their instinctive need to feed. The instinct to think a lure is an injured fish.

You run a lure/bait past a fish and it's hungry it'll hit the lure/bait, not sit their and go hmmmm i did this before - you're not tricking me again.

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Reply #38 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

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Is it hard to ingore that fact that fish will hook up on a bait/lure - spit the hook then smash the bait/lure again?

I am not ignoring it. I am attempting to get you to interpret this rationally. You asked for the scientific evidence I gave it to you. It is you who appears to be ignoring this and replacing it with a completely irrational interpretation of what you have seen. You appear incapable of distinguishing between what you actually see and what you interpret from that. It's as if you think your irrational interpretation is somehow justified by the observation.

Hence the question: If I dig up a few examples of children mispelling words, does that mean that children cannot learn to spell? <- This was an attempt to help you understand the flaw in your interpretation of what you see.

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You run a lure/bait past a fish and it's hungry it'll hit the lure/bait, not sit their and go hmmmm i did this before - you're not tricking me again.

Are you some kind of fish whisperer?

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #39 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 8:20pm heehee dats funneee..
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Reply #40 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:11am

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

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Is it hard to ingore that fact that fish will hook up on a bait/lure - spit the hook then smash the bait/lure again?

I am not ignoring it. I am attempting to get you to interpret this rationally. You asked for the scientific evidence I gave it to you. It is you who appears to be ignoring this and replacing it with a completely irrational interpretation of what you have seen. You appear incapable of distinguishing between what you actually see and what you interpret from that. It's as if you think your irrational interpretation is somehow justified by the observation.

Hence the question: If I dig up a few examples of children mispelling words, does that mean that children cannot learn to spell? <- This was an attempt to help you understand the flaw in your interpretation of what you see.

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You run a lure/bait past a fish and it's hungry it'll hit the lure/bait, not sit their and go hmmmm i did this before - you're not tricking me again.

Are you some kind of fish whisperer?

OK fish learn not to bite hooks, that's why returning fish and minimum size limits don't work and make the fish available to catch smaller.

Grin

Bollocks.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52984 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #41 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:29pm Like I said FriYAY, it is only one of may reasons why minimum sizes are a bad idea, and are almost universally acknowledged as a bad idea by anyone who bothers to think before they speak. But it is still a god reason.
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Reply #42 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:52pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 8:26am:

How are all those evil Secular humanist economic models and social engineering working out... Tongue

How's the fake Christianity working out!??!

Do you believe in the heavenly govt yet or are you simply trying to fool people into believing you believe in a heavenly govt???

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #43 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:53pm Emma wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 11:28pm: JC Denton wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 2:49pm: fish are smarter than i thought they were Yep .. smarter than you Roberta. Isn't 'Roberta' what you called Andrei??
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Reply #44 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:55pm

Emma wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Aye 'tis sad but becoming truer everyday.

My old Mum bless her heart, ... used to say...
there are more fish in the sea, than we've ever taken out of her.....

( and no she wasn't talking about men Roll Eyes

.. altho maybe that was subtext

It is disturbing to realise that this long held belief, no longer holds true.

When stocks become so low, due to over-fishing, as to be unable to replenish... we lose the species... we lose the protein, and we lose another vital part of earth ecology.

We LOSE.

Nothing grows exponentially!

-->>Greed thinks it does, but greed breeds tunnel vision.

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