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Reply #15 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:25am

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:04am:

Is that a yes? Do you doubt the negative impact of minimum sizes on fish growth rates?

I read the article, it makes good points and alot of assumptions.

I'm talking mainly about the recreational fisherman.

Nothing does more harm than commercial fishing.

And who is going to waste time and effort on a bucket of tiddlers?

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Reply #16 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:36am

Yes I noticed you trying to change the subject, but I would still appreciate a straight answer. After all, you did demand I provide evidence.

Do you doubt the negative impact of minimum sizes on fish growth rates?

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And who is going to waste time and effort on a bucket of tiddlers?

Every fisherman who has ever targetted whiting. No-one will be forcing you to target smaller fish.

Also, what assumptions does the article make?

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Reply #17 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:45am

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:36am:

Yes I noticed you trying to change the subject, but I would still appreciate a straight answer. After all, you did demand I provide evidence.

Do you doubt the negative impact of minimum sizes on fish growth rates?

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And who is going to waste time and effort on a bucket of tiddlers?

Every fisherman who has ever targetted whiting. No-one will be forcing you to target smaller fish.

Also, what assumptions does the article make?

I'd like to see more evidence than the article contains, yes.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52919 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #18 - Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:48am Is that because you doubt the impact? It always seems strange to me when people ask me to prove the bleeding obvious on this issue. It's not just you. I have gotten it from many people.
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Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 9:04am

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 11:48am:

Is that because you doubt the impact? It always seems strange to me when people ask me to prove the bleeding obvious on this issue. It's not just you. I have gotten it from many people.

If it is so bleeding obvious then the proof should be easy to obtain, yes?

This is the 1st time ever i have heard that minimum size limits effects the growth rate of fish and i will bring it up for discussion on the fishing forum i visit.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52919 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:30pm Just out of interest, how would you go about obtaining the proof? Which forum do you visit?
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Reply #21 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 9:01am

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

Just out of interest, how would you go about obtaining the proof?

Which forum do you visit?

WTF?

I don’t have any proof man.

I’m not the one saying minimum size limits are a bad thing, you are.

I’m not the one saying small fish learn not to bit the hook, you are (and in my experience this is complete unfounded bollocks)

The article itself points at the removal of larger fish as the issue, not minimum size limits.

“Previous research has found some key fish species dwindle in size as larger specimens are trawled out”

I’m willing to read through the poof you have to back up your claims.

Fishnet….

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Reply #22 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 7:39pm

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I don’t have any proof man.

I didn't ask you for proof. I asked you for a method. You suggested it would be easy. Please elaborate. Or do you always find yourself incapable of figuring out the easy things?

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I’m not the one saying small fish learn not to bit the hook, you are (and in my experience this is complete unfounded bollocks)

What experience would that be? Catching a fish?

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The article itself points at the removal of larger fish as the issue, not minimum size limits.

Duh. Overfishing is one problem. Selective removal of the prime stock is another. Stating that one is a problem does not contradict the other. Failing to distinguish demonstrates nothing.

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Reply #23 - Feb 6^th, 2013 at 9:05am

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

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I don’t have any proof man.

I didn't ask you for proof. I asked you for a method. You suggested it would be easy. Please elaborate. Or do you always find yourself incapable of figuring out the easy things?

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I’m not the one saying small fish learn not to bit the hook, you are (and in my experience this is complete unfounded bollocks)

What experience would that be? Catching a fish?

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The article itself points at the removal of larger fish as the issue, not minimum size limits.

Duh. Overfishing is one problem. Selective removal of the prime stock is another. Stating that one is a problem does not contradict the other. Failing to distinguish demonstrates nothing.

Just say you have no proof dude. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52919 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #24 - Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:50pm Are you asking me to prove the theory of natural selection?
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #25 - Feb 8^th, 2013 at 12:23pm freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:50pm: Are you asking me to prove the theory of natural selection? Why don't you start with the claim that little fish learn not to bit the hook?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52919 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #26 - Feb 9^th, 2013 at 9:31am google "learned hook avoidance"
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Reply #27 - Feb 9^th, 2013 at 10:02am

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

google "learned hook avoidance"

OK...

I'll google fish smashing a lure or bait, hooking up, spitting the lure and returning to smash said lure or bait again.

I'll google fish caught with lures and hooks in thier gobs.

Roll Eyes

In fact i've seen it so many times i won't bother.

Tongue

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52919 At my desk.	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #28 - Feb 9^th, 2013 at 10:06am I think your problem is one of logic, not evidence. What you say does not mean that fish don't learn.
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Sorry Fish Is Off The Menu Till Further Notice. Reply #29 - Feb 11^th, 2013 at 4:51pm freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 10:06am: I think your problem is one of logic, not evidence. What you say does not mean that fish don't learn. Do you even know what the term means? Little fish learn not to bite the hook..... Waiting......
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