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Reply #15 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

most christians don't even understand the definition of athiesm but like to convince others there is so much more to the definition when there isn't.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t

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a·the·ist
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a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

simple definition but christians will tell lies about atheist ideology etc Grin

While atheism denies god, everyone judges from a moral, epistemological, and/or ontological framework or perspective. What I'd like to see is atheists explain their point of departure for positive judgements. By 'positive' I don't mean a negation of religious superstitions, but an assertion of a number of principles on how people ought to act and/or think.

For the record, I am not religious.

do unto others as have them do to you.

So the best you can come up with is poaching a christian principle?

LOL. Well done cobber.

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Reply #17 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:44pm

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

most christians don't even understand the definition of athiesm but like to convince others there is so much more to the definition when there isn't.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t

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a·the·ist
[ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

simple definition but christians will tell lies about atheist ideology etc Grin

While atheism denies god, everyone judges from a moral, epistemological, and/or ontological framework or perspective. What I'd like to see is atheists explain their point of departure for positive judgements. By 'positive' I don't mean a negation of religious superstitions, but an assertion of a number of principles on how people ought to act and/or think.

For the record, I am not religious.

do unto others as have them do to you.

So the best you can come up with is poaching a christian principle?

LOL. Well done cobber.

Yeah, I found irony kind of funny too.

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Re: What does it mean to be an atheist these days ??
Reply #18 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

You believe that the universe came out of nothing and became somewhat of a free lunch like stephen hawkings believe if any of you watched that SBS show STEPHEN HAWKINGS GRAND DESIGN ???

Some atheists may believe that and some may not. It has nothing to do with the lack of belief in a deity.

Basically being an atheist isnt too bad these days (you just live your life without the guilt imposed by religions) but occasionally some arsehole comes along and asks your religion. Then the judgements start. Anything you say or do is suddenly wrong (even though it wasnt before).

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All world views, religious or secular, contain judgements.

Thats not what im talking about which you already knew didnt you.

The religious buts that find out you are an atheist suddenly start making judgements on you.

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Reply #19 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

stryder wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

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what atheistic education ?

how can you structure a whole education system based on a simple definition of one word ??

are you fricken kidding me

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Are you kidding me ?? crusty brain

ATHIESM is a philosphy IS IT NOT, ???
just like christianity which is one word ???

And it is on record that stalin intended to change the religious enviroment of Russia that time through, persercution, legislation and education,

I never realised that anti christian zealotry can make someone such a fool,

Nope. Atheism is not a philosophy. It is a lack of belief in a deity.

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Reply #20 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

most christians don't even understand the definition of athiesm but like to convince others there is so much more to the definition when there isn't.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t

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a·the·ist
[ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

simple definition but christians will tell lies about atheist ideology etc Grin

While atheism denies god, everyone judges from a moral, epistemological, and/or ontological framework or perspective. What I'd like to see is atheists explain their point of departure for positive judgements. By 'positive' I don't mean a negation of religious superstitions, but an assertion of a number of principles on how people ought to act and/or think.

For the record, I am not religious.

do unto others as have them do to you.

So the best you can come up with is poaching a christian principle?

LOL. Well done cobber.

Thats not an xtian principle. Never heard of an xtian acting like that. Anyway it was around long before xtianity just like laws against killing and stealing.

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Reply #22 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

You believe that the universe came out of nothing and became somewhat of a free lunch like stephen hawkings believe if any of you watched that SBS show STEPHEN HAWKINGS GRAND DESIGN ???

Some atheists may believe that and some may not. It has nothing to do with the lack of belief in a deity.

Basically being an atheist isnt too bad these days (you just live your life without the guilt imposed by religions) but occasionally some arsehole comes along and asks your religion. Then the judgements start. Anything you say or do is suddenly wrong (even though it wasnt before).

SOB

All world views, religious or secular, contain judgements.

Thats not what im talking about which you already knew didnt you.

The religious buts that find out you are an atheist suddenly start making judgements on you.

SOB

And the excuse of you and your fellow atheists for judging Christians in every second post?

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Reply #23 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Thats not an xtian principle. Never heard of an xtian acting like that. Anyway it was around long before xtianity just like laws against killing and stealing.

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It's not christian eh? Then why's it in the bible, twerp?

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Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

FFS, christians don't act like that TO YOU because to suffer your boundless inanity requires the patience of a god.

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Reply #24 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:06pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

You believe that the universe came out of nothing and became somewhat of a free lunch like stephen hawkings believe if any of you watched that SBS show STEPHEN HAWKINGS GRAND DESIGN ???

Some atheists may believe that and some may not. It has nothing to do with the lack of belief in a deity.

Basically being an atheist isnt too bad these days (you just live your life without the guilt imposed by religions) but occasionally some arsehole comes along and asks your religion. Then the judgements start. Anything you say or do is suddenly wrong (even though it wasnt before).

SOB

All world views, religious or secular, contain judgements.

Thats not what im talking about which you already knew didnt you.

The religious buts that find out you are an atheist suddenly start making judgements on you.

SOB

And the excuse of you and your fellow atheists for judging Christians in every second post?

You mean after they start trolling? I was talking about real life.

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Reply #25 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Thats not an xtian principle. Never heard of an xtian acting like that. Anyway it was around long before xtianity just like laws against killing and stealing.

SOB

It's not christian eh? Then why's it in the bible, twerp?

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Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

FFS, christians don't act like that TO YOU because to suffer your boundless inanity requires the patience of a god.

Seriously? I thought you understood everything? Yet you cant understand the simple concept that humanity thought up these concepts before the bible? Why are there so many similar concepts in budhism islam and Hinduism?

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Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

You believe that the universe came out of nothing and became somewhat of a free lunch like stephen hawkings believe if any of you watched that SBS show STEPHEN HAWKINGS GRAND DESIGN ???

Some atheists may believe that and some may not. It has nothing to do with the lack of belief in a deity.

Basically being an atheist isnt too bad these days (you just live your life without the guilt imposed by religions) but occasionally some arsehole comes along and asks your religion. Then the judgements start. Anything you say or do is suddenly wrong (even though it wasnt before).

SOB

All world views, religious or secular, contain judgements.

Thats not what im talking about which you already knew didnt you.

The religious buts that find out you are an atheist suddenly start making judgements on you.

SOB

And the excuse of you and your fellow atheists for judging Christians in every second post?

You mean after they start trolling? I was talking about real life.

SOB

So judging is trolling. Perhaps you need to steer clear of debate boards and whatever Christian circles you are in outside the forum.

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Reply #27 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Thats not an xtian principle. Never heard of an xtian acting like that. Anyway it was around long before xtianity just like laws against killing and stealing.

SOB

It's not christian eh? Then why's it in the bible, twerp?

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Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

FFS, christians don't act like that TO YOU because to suffer your boundless inanity requires the patience of a god.

Seriously? I thought you understood everything? Yet you cant understand the simple concept that humanity thought up these concepts before the bible? Why are there so many similar concepts in budhism islam and Hinduism?

SOB

Because they're all based on "natural law", and yet atheists, in their profound wisdom, reject these simple, time-honoured truths.

Any other tenuously-related questions you'd like answered while we're at it?

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Reply #28 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:14pm

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

do unto others as have them do to you.

So the best you can come up with is poaching a christian principle?

LOL. Well done cobber.

The principle is universal (not restricted to Christianity nor invented by Christians). It appears in almost exactly the same form in nearly every human ethics system and is fundamental to nearly all.

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Reply #29 - Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

do unto others as have them do to you.

So the best you can come up with is poaching a christian principle?

LOL. Well done cobber.

The principle is universal (not restricted to Christianity nor invented by Christians). It appears in almost exactly the same form in nearly every human ethics system and is fundamental to nearly all.

Yep, but whether others share it or not, it's still a principle of christianity.

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