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Reply #45 - Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:21pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
We dont have to 'get creative'.

So why did you feel the need to "get creative" with all the lies you have told?


Do I need to repeat them all again?

Just ask me  - and I will if you have forgotten.
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Reply #46 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question. The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery.

ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.
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Reply #47 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:21am
 
Who are the deniers now
That would be rabbit MOTR and most of the lefties on this site

We all get things wrong, and by definition futurology is a risky business. But behind all this lies something much more pernicious than a revised decadal forecast. The problem is not the difficulty of predicting something as chaotic as the Earth’s climate,  but the almost Stalinist way the Green Establishment tries to stifle dissent.

There is, for example, the odious term ‘denier’. This is applied to anyone who questions the new orthodoxy about global warming. It doesn’t matter if one states that yes, CO2 does warm the planet, but the critical issues we need to address are how fast and how much: if one doesn’t anticipate catastrophe, one must be vilified, and equated with those who deny the Holocaust.

Yet the real deniers are those who don’t just claim that the pause is insignificant, but that it doesn’t exist at all. Such deniers also still insist that the ‘science is settled’. The truth is that the unexpected pause has triggered  a new spate of research, in which many supposed ‘consensus’ conclusions are being questioned.

Some scientists are revisiting some basic assumptions of climate prediction models, such as the effects of clouds and smoke particles in the atmosphere. They now think that the claim that the warming effect of CO2 is ‘amplified’ by things such as cloud cover have been seriously exaggerated. In their view, doubling CO2 may only warm the world by 1.5 degrees or so, giving us many more decades to develop lower carbon energy sources.

How have the Green deniers been so successful in concealing such debates?

Partly it is the web of commercial interests that both fund and are sustained by Green climate orthodoxy. But it is also their dissenter-trashing machine.

A day before the revised Met Office forecast broke, US blog site Planet 3.0 awarded me its Golden Horseshoe award for the ‘most brazenly damaging and malign bad science of 2013’.’

I’ll be clutching it when they burn me at the stake.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-...
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Reply #48 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.



Hardly the same.

Questioning is not denying.

There is a consensus that man made CO2 emissions are mainly responsible for increasing the concentration level of CO2 in the atmosphere however there is less consensus that this is the actual catalyst for global warming.

It is therefore prudent to think about reducing CO2 emmissions but not at the expense of your nation's competitive advantage and certainly not at the expense of your nation's enterprises without similar action from your nation's major competitors.

Eco-socialists like the Green party don't give a rat's rectum about enterprise or maintaining competitive advantage as they are ideologically opposed to free enterprise and capitalism.

They use (have hijacked) the anthropogenic global warming theory as a political tool for their political ends (which is anti-capitalism)

The carbon tax is just a string in the bow of the eco-socialist's political agenda.  Another spanner in the works for capitalism, a means to redistribute wealth and you guys are sucking it up because they've convinced you that the sky is falling.

If the sky was indeed falling, and CO2 emissions / concentrations was the culprit then Governments (and Scientific community) would be pulling out all stops to restrict CO2 emissions.  They would be advocating the building of many more nuclear power generating facilities as they are the most efficient and effective means of reducing CO2 concentrations in the short term.

Eco-socialists (like the Greens Party) are totally against nuclear power even to reduce CO2 concentrations that will save the world, which just exposes their insincerity about global warming and emphasises the fact that they are conning everyone.  Sad


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Reply #49 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:55am
 
I have to laugh when I see the greenies out in force trying to stop a tree or two being chopped down and they are waving their placards for all to see. But wait, what are placards made from - cardboard and timber. Hey, don't they come from trees? So somewhere a tree was felled for them to demonstrate against a tree being felled.
Do you see something strange there?  Grin
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Reply #50 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
Yes and they likely drove, flew to their location, had phones, computers, used paper, ate food, wore clothes (most of the time) manufactured using fossil fuels....... Roll Eyes

Oh and breathed the air manufactured by plants sucking in CO2.... Roll Eyes
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Reply #51 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #52 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:38am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?


we've been doing this for weeks now dumb-bunny. the 'grave doubt' is confirmed by 16 years of no warming and no more warming predicted. also the complete and absolute failure of all climate predictions and models.
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #53 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:39am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.



Hardly the same.

Questioning is not denying.

There is a consensus that man made CO2 emissions are mainly responsible for increasing the concentration level of CO2 in the atmosphere

No - there is empirical evidence that demonstrates that man made CO2 emissions are mainly responsible for increasing the concentration level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
however there is less consensus that this is the actual catalyst for global warming.

No.  There is no consensus that CO2 a "catalyst" of anything.

WHat there is is an enormous amount of accumulated empirical data that demonstrates that CO2 in the atmosphere absorbs energy at certain wavelengths and re-emits this as heat.  There is empirical data which demostrates that the amount of outgoing longwave radition is decreasing in the same wavelength bands as is absorbed by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses as concentration of these gasses increases, and there is empirical data tha demonstartes that the amount of downward radiation re-emitted by these gasses is increasing as the concentration of the gasses increases.

Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
It is therefore prudent to think about reducing CO2 emmissions but not at the expense of your nation's competitive advantage and certainly not at the expense of your nation's enterprises without similar action from your nation's major competitors.

No - that is not prudent at all, since there have been numerous economic analyses done which clearly indicate that the cost of inaction will far outweigh the cost of reducion emissions.


Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Eco-socialists like the Green party don't give a rat's rectum about enterprise or maintaining competitive advantage as they are ideologically opposed to free enterprise and capitalism.

They use (have hijacked) the anthropogenic global warming theory as a political tool for their political ends (which is anti-capitalism)

The carbon tax is just a string in the bow of the eco-socialist's political agenda.  Another spanner in the works for capitalism, a means to redistribute wealth and you guys are sucking it up because they've convinced you that the sky is falling.

Yes - your conspiracy theories are all very interesting.  But in future - please keep them to yourself.

Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
If the sky was indeed falling, and CO2 emissions / concentrations was the culprit then Governments (and Scientific community) would be pulling out all stops to restrict CO2 emissions.  They would be advocating the building of many more nuclear power generating facilities as they are the most efficient and effective means of reducing CO2 concentrations in the short term.

Eco-socialists (like the Greens Party) are totally against nuclear power even to reduce CO2 concentrations that will save the world, which just exposes their insincerity about global warming and emphasises the fact that they are conning everyone.  Sad

No.  Nuclear power is not the "most efficient and effective means of reducing CO2 concentrations in the short term." when the actual energy used in the mining, transportation and processing of fuel, manufacture of cement for the concrete structures and eventual decommissioning of plant is taken into consideration.  Better alternatives already exist.
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #54 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:42am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?

Gravity has empirical evidence. Co2 does not. Doesnt matter who came up with the theory, how good you make it look, how brain washed you are, how much of an activist you are. If it doesnt agree with empirical evidence, then it is wrong.

As stated by many people before, co2 is likely to drive the climate to 1 degree for a doubling. It is the feedbacks that the cult has got plain wrong. By a very very big margin.
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Reply #55 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:47am
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?


we've been doing this for weeks now dumb-bunny. the 'grave doubt' is confirmed by 16 years of no warming and no more warming predicted. also the complete and absolute failure of all climate predictions and models.

Where did you get this idea that there has been "no warming for 16 years"?!?!  That is nonsense.

Every single one of those 16 years has been warmer than the long term average.  That is why the planet is warming.

THis is why global glacial mass balance continues to decrease.  Because the planet continues to warm (I know that you lied about this previously.  You have never explained why you lied about glaciers not receding, have you)

THis is why sea level continues to rise.  Because the planet continues to warm.

THis is why the arctic ice cap continues to decrease. Because the planet continues to warm (I know that you lied about this previously too - some nonsense about undersea volcanos.  You tell a lot of lies, don't you?)

THe planet continues to warm - particularly in the past 16 years.  This is why 12 of the hottest years ever recorded have occurred in the past 16 years.


And who has predicted no more warming?
I have not heard of any such prediction from any reputable source

The UK Met predicts that warming will continue:
It says that the average temperature is likely to be 0.43 C above the long-term average by 2017
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Reply #56 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?

Gravity has empirical evidence. Co2 does not. Doesnt matter who came up with the theory, how good you make it look, how brain washed you are, how much of an activist you are. If it doesnt agree with empirical evidence, then it is wrong.

As stated by many people before, co2 is likely to drive the climate to 1 degree for a doubling. It is the feedbacks that the cult has got plain wrong. By a very very big margin.

Gravity has empirical evidence. Co2 does not.


This is why you are called a denier.
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Reply #57 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:51am
 
damien wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:55am:
I have to laugh when I see the greenies out in force trying to stop a tree or two being chopped down and they are waving their placards for all to see. But wait, what are placards made from - cardboard and timber. Hey, don't they come from trees? So somewhere a tree was felled for them to demonstrate against a tree being felled.
Do you see something strange there?  Grin

Yes.  It is very strange someone could be so ignorant.  You don't know the difference between plantation timber and old growth forest.

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Reply #58 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:57am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:49am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 10:22am:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
You just repeat the same thing again and again.



Yep, the truth.

And don't the  AGW alarmists hate it.   Wink



Do you say the same about  people who accept gravity Gregerry?
After all - it is only a theory.

Or is this just something you have "faith" in?
I know that you have told us that you do not understand the science.  It is only a faith issue for you.

I do not want to make fun of your religion.


those kinds of attempted comparisons is what makes you look so very silly. The existence of gravity is not in question.

Why isn't the existence of gravity in question?

Why do you blindly accept this theory, yet call people who understand the evidence which supports AGW "alarmists"?  Is this your religion?



gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
The effect of gravity is very we defined. How it works is however a mystery..

No - it isn't a mystery.  There is a theory to explain gravity which is supported by a lot of evidence.  Just like AGW.
gold_medal wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:26am:
ACC's existence and effect are in grave doubt.

What is this "grave doubt"?

Which part of the evidence supporting AGW is in "grave doubt"
Could you please identify this "grave doubt" for us?

Gravity has empirical evidence. Co2 does not. Doesnt matter who came up with the theory, how good you make it look, how brain washed you are, how much of an activist you are. If it doesnt agree with empirical evidence, then it is wrong.

As stated by many people before, co2 is likely to drive the climate to 1 degree for a doubling. It is the feedbacks that the cult has got plain wrong. By a very very big margin.

Gravity has empirical evidence. Co2 does not.


This is why you are called a denier.

That is why you are called an idiot and a cultist.
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Reply #59 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 11:21am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Hardly the same.


Trying to compare the AGW hypothesis with the theory of gravity is quite possibly the most ludicrous diversion tactic the alarmists have come up with so far.

That, coupled with references to Hitler, has destroyed all credibility from the alarmist camp.

Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Questioning is not denying.


Exactly right, but the alarmists can't get their heads around that concept.  Many of them have said "the debate is over" and as such their minds remain closed.

To the alarmists' way of thinking you either believe in the AGW hypothesis 100% or you deny climate change altogether.  Many of them have no understanding of scientific scepticism or the differences between climate change and AGW.  Some even struggle to comprehend the difference between 'weather' and 'climate'.  It's turned into a faith based religion with no basis (or interest) in scientific methods.
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