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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #210 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:10pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Tell me Longy are you still going to complain about Australia taking action to reduce its use of greenhouse gases when the Libs eventually get back in because as you know they have the same reduction targets as Labor has or will it all be ok then?


feel free to discuss the actual debate at hand if you can finf the mental acuity to do so. deflections are the kind of standard we expect of loser-nail. Do you really need to drop to his level?
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Reply #211 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:33pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:10pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Tell me Longy are you still going to complain about Australia taking action to reduce its use of greenhouse gases when the Libs eventually get back in because as you know they have the same reduction targets as Labor has or will it all be ok then?


feel free to discuss the actual debate at hand if you can finf the mental acuity to do so. deflections are the kind of standard we expect of loser-nail. Do you really need to drop to his level?


Just remember to maintain the rage when the Libs are in power and are committed to reaching the same targets.
You can call me a liar if you keep banging on about it when the Libs eventually get back into govt but Im more than confident all your doing is inventing something to whinge about because you dont like the govt.
As for debating the topic...all we've done is go around in circles for several years so its kind of a waste of time.
You're in the camp that says do nothing because you personally dont believe in the science and Im in the camp that says easing back on polluting the atmosphere and researching alternatives to burning fossil fuels is the prudent thing to do climate change or not.
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Reply #212 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:18pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 11:53am:
In respect of whether anything can/could/would/should or is going to be done, I would suggest that the can/could/would & should parts are possible, BUT I agree with your assertion that they are unlikely, as it would require the sort of co-operation that usually only becomes apparent in the human race, once the problems become obvious & in this instance, THAT WILL HAPPEN TOO LATE FOR ANY MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN!


So in other words the Eco-Socialists are just pursuing the AGWT issue for a political end (wealth redistribution and anti-capitalism). Shocked


So, you really gained  that impression, from what I said?

From the full text, of what I said?

Gee, that's incredible OR should I say, UNBELIEVABLE!



Thanks but my name isn't Luigi...

If it's too late for meaningful Actions (your words) then it must be a political Agenda. (refer reply # 5) Wink
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Reply #213 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:53pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:10pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Tell me Longy are you still going to complain about Australia taking action to reduce its use of greenhouse gases when the Libs eventually get back in because as you know they have the same reduction targets as Labor has or will it all be ok then?


feel free to discuss the actual debate at hand if you can finf the mental acuity to do so. deflections are the kind of standard we expect of loser-nail. Do you really need to drop to his level?


Just remember to maintain the rage when the Libs are in power and are committed to reaching the same targets.
You can call me a liar if you keep banging on about it when the Libs eventually get back into govt but Im more than confident all your doing is inventing something to whinge about because you dont like the govt.
As for debating the topic...all we've done is go around in circles for several years so its kind of a waste of time.
You're in the camp that says do nothing because you personally dont believe in the science and Im in the camp that says easing back on polluting the atmosphere and researching alternatives to burning fossil fuels is the prudent thing to do climate change or not.

THE CONSERATIVE WORD 'PRUDENT' BEING THE THEME HERE!
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #214 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 10:51pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Tell us which bit of evidence you do not find credible or reliable.


I've told you this before: pretty much all of it.  Take your pick.  Is your memory failing you too?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 5:55pm:
Be specific.


Why?  I'm not the one pushing a hypothesis.  I've got nothing to prove.

If you want people to be convinced by the AGW hypothesis, you're the one who needs to be specific.

Hitler, gravity, and lies just isn't gonna cut it Bunny.

Sorry   Sad

NULL HYPOTHESIS = BYE BYE !!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #215 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 12:05am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:08pm:
It would seem that rabbit and MOTR(now putting himself in the same bucket as rabbit) have been lied to like the rest of us by the IPCC and crikey and none other than a man under pressure from the doomsday cult.

Excuse me?!?!?!

You get sucked in by a stupid story in The Australian which misrepresents the findings of a scientific paper - and somehow you want to blame it on "the IPCC and crikey and none other than a man under pressure from the doomsday cult"?!?!?!

Sorry champ.  The ignorance and gullibility is yours alone.  You were conned.  You were sucked in.  You were fooled.

And like the rest of your denier friends, as soon as the manufacturers of doubt crack their whip - you slaver like a pathetic little puppy.

Grow up.  Try to think for yourself in future.

THE AUSTRALIAN has some serious credibility problems to answer!
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #216 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 9:09pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:53pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 7:10pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Tell me Longy are you still going to complain about Australia taking action to reduce its use of greenhouse gases when the Libs eventually get back in because as you know they have the same reduction targets as Labor has or will it all be ok then?


feel free to discuss the actual debate at hand if you can finf the mental acuity to do so. deflections are the kind of standard we expect of loser-nail. Do you really need to drop to his level?


Just remember to maintain the rage when the Libs are in power and are committed to reaching the same targets.
You can call me a liar if you keep banging on about it when the Libs eventually get back into govt but Im more than confident all your doing is inventing something to whinge about because you dont like the govt.
As for debating the topic...all we've done is go around in circles for several years so its kind of a waste of time.
You're in the camp that says do nothing because you personally dont believe in the science and Im in the camp that says easing back on polluting the atmosphere and researching alternatives to burning fossil fuels is the prudent thing to do climate change or not.

THE CONSERATIVE WORD 'PRUDENT' BEING THE THEME HERE!
  Wink Wink  Roll Eyes


From Reply # 48
who sAys we nver Agree D R A H...... Cheesy

Swagman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:25am:
    There is a consensus that man made CO2 emissions are mainly responsible for increasing the concentration level of CO2 in the atmosphere however there is less consensus that this is the actual catalyst for global warming.

It is therefore
prudent
to think about reducing CO2 emmissions but not at the expense of your nation's competitive advantage and certainly not at the expense of your nation's enterprises without similar action from your nation's major competitors.

Eco-socialists like the Green party don't give a rat's rectum about enterprise or maintaining competitive advantage as they are ideologically opposed to free enterprise and capitalism.

They use (have hijacked) the anthropogenic global warming theory as a political tool for their political ends (which is anti-capitalism)

The carbon tax is just a string in the bow of the eco-socialist's political agenda.  Another spanner in the works for capitalism, a means to redistribute wealth and you guys are sucking it up because they've convinced you that the sky is falling.

If the sky was indeed falling, and CO2 emissions / concentrations was the culprit then Governments (and Scientific community) would be pulling out all stops to restrict CO2 emissions.  They would be advocating the building of many more nuclear power generating facilities as they are the most efficient and effective means of reducing CO2 concentrations in the short term.

Eco-socialists (like the Greens Party) are totally against nuclear power even to reduce CO2 concentrations that will save the world, which just exposes their insincerity about global warming and emphasises the fact that they are conning everyone.  Sad



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Reply #217 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
-->>well well, there are election issues worth writing home about after all!
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #218 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 9:54pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Tell me Longy are you still going to complain about Australia taking action to reduce its use of greenhouse gases when the Libs eventually get back in because as you know they have the same reduction targets as Labor has or will it all be ok then?

libs is not perpetual like the labor/gang-greens. libs are more enviromental than the labor/gang-greens more co2 gas.

liberals win. love it.
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Reply #219 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 7:50pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:18pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 11:53am:
In respect of whether anything can/could/would/should or is going to be done, I would suggest that the can/could/would & should parts are possible, BUT I agree with your assertion that they are unlikely, as it would require the sort of co-operation that usually only becomes apparent in the human race, once the problems become obvious & in this instance, THAT WILL HAPPEN TOO LATE FOR ANY MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN!


So in other words the Eco-Socialists are just pursuing the AGWT issue for a political end (wealth redistribution and anti-capitalism). Shocked


So, you really gained  that impression, from what I said?

From the full text, of what I said?

Gee, that's incredible OR should I say, UNBELIEVABLE!



Thanks but my name isn't Luigi...

If it's too late for meaningful Actions (your words) then it must be a political Agenda. (refer reply # 5) Wink



Sorry for the delay, things have been a little busy!

The full quote of my words, as you say, were -
"In respect of whether anything can/could/would/should or is going to be done, I would suggest that the can/could/would & should parts are possible,
BUT I agree with your assertion that they are unlikely, as it would require the sort of co-operation that usually only becomes apparent in the human race, once the problems become obvious & in this instance, THAT WILL HAPPEN TOO LATE FOR ANY MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN!
"

In fact, I was saying that there should be actions taken to mitigate the Risks & the worst outcomes of Climate Change, BUT irrespective of what some are trying to promote, I suspect that nothing will happen, because of those trying to maintain a Status Quo that can not be maintained.

So, despite some people trying to promote Climate Change mitigation, for very good & logical reasons, nothing is likely to happen, because of those wanting to maintain what they see as their own advantages!

Political agendas may well be involved, but they would come from Left, Right, Centre, Free Enterprise or Communists, take your pick!   
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Reply #220 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 9:35pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:58pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:18pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 11:53am:
In respect of whether anything can/could/would/should or is going to be done, I would suggest that the can/could/would & should parts are possible, BUT I agree with your assertion that they are unlikely, as it would require the sort of co-operation that usually only becomes apparent in the human race, once the problems become obvious & in this instance, THAT WILL HAPPEN TOO LATE FOR ANY MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN!


So in other words the Eco-Socialists are just pursuing the AGWT issue for a political end (wealth redistribution and anti-capitalism). Shocked


So, you really gained  that impression, from what I said?

From the full text, of what I said?

Gee, that's incredible OR should I say, UNBELIEVABLE!



Thanks but my name isn't Luigi...

If it's too late for meaningful Actions (your words) then it must be a political Agenda. (refer reply # 5) Wink



Sorry for the delay, things have been a little busy!

The full quote of my words, as you say, were -
"In respect of whether anything can/could/would/should or is going to be done, I would suggest that the can/could/would & should parts are possible,
BUT I agree with your assertion that they are unlikely, as it would require the sort of co-operation that usually only becomes apparent in the human race, once the problems become obvious & in this instance, THAT WILL HAPPEN TOO LATE FOR ANY MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN!
"

In fact, I was saying that there should be actions taken to mitigate the Risks & the worst outcomes of Climate Change, BUT irrespective of what some are trying to promote, I suspect that nothing will happen, because of those trying to maintain a Status Quo that can not be maintained.

So, despite some people trying to promote Climate Change mitigation, for very good & logical reasons, nothing is likely to happen, because of those wanting to maintain what they see as their own advantages!

Political agendas may well be involved, but they would come from Left, Right, Centre, Free Enterprise or Communists, take your pick!   

Well come on down. Do we have  deal for you.

Mitigate black carbon (sure you can feel good about doing something) and you can kiss the failed co2 gas goodbye.

If you were really concerned, thats the place for you to start.

I am guessing that you are not that concerned.
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Reply #221 - Jan 18th, 2013 at 11:41pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:13am:
Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report


THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...


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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #222 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 1:01am
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 18th, 2013 at 11:41pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:13am:
Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report


THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...


http://watchingthedeniers.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/oz_correction.jpg

Like I said, he cant have it both ways. Sea level rise in the 21st century is actually smaller than the 20th century. They had it right the first time.
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Reply #223 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 5:25am
 
What data are you using to make that claim, progs? Most of the last two decades have been in the 21st Century.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #224 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 6:31am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 19th, 2013 at 1:01am:
MOTR wrote on Jan 18th, 2013 at 11:41pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:13am:
Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report


THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...


http://watchingthedeniers.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/oz_correction.jpg

Like I said, he cant have it both ways. Sea level rise in the 21st century is actually smaller than the 20th century. They had it right the first time.

The data used

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http://www.climate4you.com/
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