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Reply #120 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:49am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?


That goes for you as well Rabbit.

You ignore the fact that there is much more scientific dissent regarding AGWT than the gravitation theory.

The two theories (AGWT / Gravitation) are streets apart when it comes to plausibility.
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Reply #121 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:54am
 
MET office are frauds

The MET lying to people
1. “… [F]or Mr. Rose to suggest that the latest global temperatures available show no warming in the last 15 years is entirely misleading.”

2. “What is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming …”.

3. “The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Niño) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Niña) is about 0.03 C°/decade …”.

4. “Each of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade.”

5. “The models exhibit large variations in the rate of warming … so … such a period [15 years without warming] is not unexpected. It is not uncommon in the simulations for these periods to last up to 15 years, but longer periods are unlikely.”

Each of the assertions enumerated above was calculated to deceive. Each assertion is a lie. It is a lie told for financial advantage. M’lud, let me take each assertion in turn and briefly outline the evidence.

The METS BS exposed
1. The assertion that Mr Rose was “entirely misleading” to say there had been no global warming for 15 years is not just entirely misleading: it is entirely false. The least-squares linear-regression trend on the global temperature data is statistically indistinguishable from zero for 18 years (HadCRUt4), or 19 years (HadCRUt3), or even 23 years (RSS).

2. What is absolutely clear is that the assertion that “it is absolutely clear that we have continued to see a trend of warming” is absolutely, clearly false. The assertion is timescale-dependent. The Met Office justified it by noting that each of the last n decades was warmer than the decade that preceded it. A simple heuristic will demonstrate the dishonesty of this argument. Take a two-decade period. In each of years 1-2, the world warms by 0.05 Cº. In each of years 3-20, the world does not warm at all. Sure, the second decade will be warmer than the first. But global warming will still have stopped for 18 years. By making comparisons on timescales longer than the 18 years without warming, what we are seeing is long-past warming, not a continuing “trend of warming”.

3. In August 1997 global temperatures were not “in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Niño”: they were in transition, about halfway between La Niña (cooler than normal) and El Niño (warmer than normal) conditions. Likewise, temperatures in August 2012 were not “at the tail-end of a double-dip La Niña”: they were plainly again in transition between the La Niña of 2011/12 and the El Niño due in a year or two.

4. The Met Office’s assertion that each of the past ten years has been in the top ten is dataset-dependent. On most datasets, 1998 was the warmest year on the global instrumental record (which only began 160-odd years ago). Therefore, on these datasets, it cannot have been possible for each of the last ten years to be among the warmest on record.

5. Finally, the Met Office shoots itself in the foot by implicitly admitting that there has been a 15-year period without warming, saying that such a period is “not unexpected”. Yet that period was not “expected” by any of the dozens of lavishly-funded computer models that have been enriching their operators – including the Met Office, whose new computer cost gazillions and has the carbon footprint of a small town every time it is switched on. The NOAA’s State of the Climate report in 2008 said this: “Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 years or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.”
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #122 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:30am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:37am:
Hi, I am still protesting 2day fm, hope you are too, I also have tweeted several "Christian" Cage Fighters to tell them that they cannot be walking with Jesus and doing the violent things they do because its a terrible sin.... Sad


What's a "Christian Cage Fighter"?
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Reply #123 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:42am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:50am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.

Now you're just telling lies.


Really Greggery!!!!

You have always said that the evidence exists!!!!

Have you?!?!

Funny - you seemed to sat the exact opposite just a few pages ago!:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence and as such the followers of this religion constantly resort to nonsense such as "consensus", irrational fear-mongering, hyperbole, data manipulation, and outright lies.


Why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?

Could you explain to us what is not credible or convincing about the evidence that suppports AGW.?
Start with stratospheric cooling
Why is this evidence neither credible nor convincing?




greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

I was just thinking the same thing Greggery.



Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

I have always said that evidence exists.  Never denied it once.

However, what I have also said is "The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence"  And thank you for posting that quote. It has helped demonstrate what an absolute fool you are.

In case you're still having trouble figuring it out:

* Evidence exists (nobody, including me is saying otherwise), however, it is not credible convincing evidence.

Hence my statement: "The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence".

Now, if I had said "The AGW hypothesis has no evidence", that would be completely different.  However, I didn't say that, did I Bunny?  No.  You've been caught out telling lies once again.

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Hitler + gravity + lies = a total loss of credibility for Bunny Boy

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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #124 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:56am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:50am:
I was just thinking ...



I seriously doubt that.

Hitler + gravity + lies + not knowing the difference between 'hypothesis & theory' and 'weather & climate' = a total loss of credibility for Bunny Boy.

Sorry   Sad
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Reply #125 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:35am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
That's true Rabbit....because a theory has already BEEN proven...Gravity is a theory

AGW is a hypothesis, and still needs to be proven...

Oh great.  Another genius.




Well yes,  but also, compared to you...definitely...

"A hypothesis consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.      In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. As opposed to theory, a hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable."

I'm not the one confusing the THEORY of gravity with the HYPOTHESIS of anthropogenic climate change, am I?
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #126 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:59am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:35am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
That's true Rabbit....because a theory has already BEEN proven...Gravity is a theory

AGW is a hypothesis, and still needs to be proven...

Oh great.  Another genius.




Well yes,  but also, compared to you...definitely...

"A hypothesis consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.      In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. As opposed to theory, a hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable."

I'm not the one confusing the THEORY of gravity with the HYPOTHESIS of anthropogenic climate change, am I?


thanks for that gizmo, but I doubt it will make a dent in dumb-bunny's thinking. His logic is impervious to fact or evidence - not that he even understands what those terms mean.
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #127 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:34pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:35am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
That's true Rabbit....because a theory has already BEEN proven...Gravity is a theory

AGW is a hypothesis, and still needs to be proven...

Oh great.  Another genius.




Well yes,  but also, compared to you...definitely...

"A hypothesis consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.      In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. As opposed to theory, a hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable."

I'm not the one confusing the THEORY of gravity with the HYPOTHESIS of anthropogenic climate change, am I?

What is a "proven hypothesis"?
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #128 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:37pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:59am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:35am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
That's true Rabbit....because a theory has already BEEN proven...Gravity is a theory

AGW is a hypothesis, and still needs to be proven...

Oh great.  Another genius.




Well yes,  but also, compared to you...definitely...

"A hypothesis consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.      In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. As opposed to theory, a hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable."

I'm not the one confusing the THEORY of gravity with the HYPOTHESIS of anthropogenic climate change, am I?


thanks for that gizmo, but I doubt it will make a dent in dumb-bunny's thinking. His logic is impervious to fact or evidence - not that he even understands what those terms mean.

Do you mean "fact" like when you wrote that glaciers are not receding?
Do you mean "fact" like when you wrote that an undersea volcano is melting the arctic ice cap?
Do you mean "fact" like when you wrote that the MWP was 4 degrees warmer globally than today?

Where is the evidence to support these" facts" of yours?


Will we ever see it?
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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #129 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:39pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:35am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 7:28pm:
That's true Rabbit....because a theory has already BEEN proven...Gravity is a theory

AGW is a hypothesis, and still needs to be proven...

Oh great.  Another genius.




Well yes,  but also, compared to you...definitely...

"A hypothesis consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena.      In science, a theory is a well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. As opposed to theory, a hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable."

I'm not the one confusing the THEORY of gravity with the HYPOTHESIS of anthropogenic climate change, am I?

What is a "proven hypothesis"?


Simply a hypothesis that has been tested against falsifiability and passes...And before you say it, no, ACC hasn't passed that test yet...
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Reply #130 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:42am:
Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

I have always said that evidence exists.  Never denied it once.

However, what I have also said is "The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence"  And thank you for posting that quote. It has helped demonstrate what an absolute fool you are.


Oh dear Greggery!  That is patheitic even by your standards!


greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.



greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence


Now - could you please explain to us why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?

Could you explain to us what is not credible or convincing about the evidence that suppports AGW.?

Start with stratospheric cooling
Why is this evidence neither credible nor convincing?

Any answers Greggery?




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Reply #131 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:54am:
MET office are frauds

The MET lying to people
1. “… [F]or Mr. Rose to suggest that the latest global temperatures available show no warming in the last 15 years is entirely misleading.”

2. “What is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming …”.

3. “The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Niño) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Niña) is about 0.03 C°/decade …”.

4. “Each of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade.”

5. “The models exhibit large variations in the rate of warming … so … such a period [15 years without warming] is not unexpected. It is not uncommon in the simulations for these periods to last up to 15 years, but longer periods are unlikely.”

Each of the assertions enumerated above was calculated to deceive. Each assertion is a lie. It is a lie told for financial advantage. M’lud, let me take each assertion in turn and briefly outline the evidence.

The METS BS exposed
1. The assertion that Mr Rose was “entirely misleading” to say there had been no global warming for 15 years is not just entirely misleading: it is entirely false. The least-squares linear-regression trend on the global temperature data is statistically indistinguishable from zero for 18 years (HadCRUt4), or 19 years (HadCRUt3), or even 23 years (RSS).

2. What is absolutely clear is that the assertion that “it is absolutely clear that we have continued to see a trend of warming” is absolutely, clearly false. The assertion is timescale-dependent. The Met Office justified it by noting that each of the last n decades was warmer than the decade that preceded it. A simple heuristic will demonstrate the dishonesty of this argument. Take a two-decade period. In each of years 1-2, the world warms by 0.05 Cº. In each of years 3-20, the world does not warm at all. Sure, the second decade will be warmer than the first. But global warming will still have stopped for 18 years. By making comparisons on timescales longer than the 18 years without warming, what we are seeing is long-past warming, not a continuing “trend of warming”.

3. In August 1997 global temperatures were not “in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Niño”: they were in transition, about halfway between La Niña (cooler than normal) and El Niño (warmer than normal) conditions. Likewise, temperatures in August 2012 were not “at the tail-end of a double-dip La Niña”: they were plainly again in transition between the La Niña of 2011/12 and the El Niño due in a year or two.

4. The Met Office’s assertion that each of the past ten years has been in the top ten is dataset-dependent. On most datasets, 1998 was the warmest year on the global instrumental record (which only began 160-odd years ago). Therefore, on these datasets, it cannot have been possible for each of the last ten years to be among the warmest on record.

5. Finally, the Met Office shoots itself in the foot by implicitly admitting that there has been a 15-year period without warming, saying that such a period is “not unexpected”. Yet that period was not “expected” by any of the dozens of lavishly-funded computer models that have been enriching their operators – including the Met Office, whose new computer cost gazillions and has the carbon footprint of a small town every time it is switched on. The NOAA’s State of the Climate report in 2008 said this: “Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 years or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.”

27 consecutive years of global temperatures above the long term average - and you still desperately cling to your silly Daily Mail article!!!

If the earth is not warming:
Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why are sea levels rising?
Why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
Why has there been an increase in the frequency of extreme weather events?

What is the cause of these observed phenomena if - as you and David Rose claim - the earth is not warming?
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Reply #132 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:48pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 9:42am:
Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

I have always said that evidence exists.  Never denied it once.

However, what I have also said is "The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence"  And thank you for posting that quote. It has helped demonstrate what an absolute fool you are.


Oh dear Greggery!  That is patheitic even by your standards!


greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.



greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence


Now - could you please explain to us why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?

Could you explain to us what is not credible or convincing about the evidence that suppports AGW.?

Start with stratospheric cooling
Why is this evidence neither credible nor convincing?

Any answers Greggery?





You have already been told about gravity and stratosphere. Where is your evidence of the stratosphere and I hope it doesnt just look at co2 otherwise it is more pseudo science crap.
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Reply #133 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:49pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:49am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?


That goes for you as well Rabbit.

You ignore the fact that there is much more scientific dissent regarding AGWT than the gravitation theory.

The two theories (AGWT / Gravitation) are streets apart when it comes to plausibility.

When you can show us some scientific papers that outline this " scientific dissent" - I will be happy to read them.
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Reply #134 - Jan 15th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 12:49pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 7:49am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 15th, 2013 at 6:50am:
Why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible  and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?


That goes for you as well Rabbit.

You ignore the fact that there is much more scientific dissent regarding AGWT than the gravitation theory.

The two theories (AGWT / Gravitation) are streets apart when it comes to plausibility.

When you can show us some scientific papers that outline this " scientific dissent" - I will be happy to read them.


........ Roll Eyes

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/ci/31/special/may01_viewpoint.html

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