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Reply #105 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

What you have actually described is a theory ...

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

Your failure to understand this simple (and extremely basic) fact isn't that surprising though.

After all, it was you who went down the "Hitler', 'gravity' path. This new development - that shows you don't even understand what the AGW hypothesis actually is - has pretty much put the nail in your coffin: there's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

Sorry.

Now explain for us Greggery - why do you choose to ignore all of the evidence that exists to support the many hypotheses that make up the AGW theory?

Take the example I have already given you. THere is evidence that the stratopsphere is cooling.
Why do you simply close your eyes and pretend that this evidence does not exist?

What purpose does wilful ignorance serve for you Greggery?

Can you explain?

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Reply #106 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

What you have actually described is a theory ...

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

It is a theory Greggery, Not a hypothesis.

A theory summarises a group of hypotheses that have been supported with evidence.

There is evidence that the stratosphere is cooling. THis supports the hypothesis that increased CO2 would cause the stratosphere to cool
There is evidence that the sea levels are rising. THis supports the hypothesis that warming oceans would rise through the thermal expansion of water.
There is evidence that outgoing longwave radiation is decreeasing in the same wavelength bands that are absorbed by CO2. THis supports the hypothesis that increasing CO2 would absorb more energy
theses are just a tiny handful of examples of evidence which supports the various hypotheses that make up AGW theory.

Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery?

Is it a religion thing?

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Reply #107 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

What you have actually described is a theory ...

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

It is a theory Greggery, Not a hypothesis.

A theory summarises a group of hypotheses that have been supported with evidence.

There is evidence that the stratosphere is cooling. THis supports the hypothesis that increased CO2 would cause the stratosphere to cool
There is evidence that the sea levels are rising. THis supports the hypothesis that warming oceans would rise through the thermal expansion of water.
There is evidence that outgoing longwave radiation is decreeasing in the same wavelength bands that are absorbed by CO2. THis supports the hypothesis that increasing CO2 would absorb more energy
theses are just a tiny handful of examples of evidence which supports the various hypotheses that make up AGW theory.

Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery?

Is it a religion thing?

There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

Sorry.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 145729 Gender:	Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat. Reply #108 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:59pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm: Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery? I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists. Now you're just telling lies. There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously. Sorry.
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Reply #109 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

You did a fair job Greggery - but you were not very accurate:

human-caused carbon dioxide emissions are causing dangerous global warming.

CO2 is not the only anthropogenic gas that is causing global warming. You have not considered methane, sulfur hexaflouride, NOx or CFCs.

And what is "dangerous" global warming. That is a very ambiguous way to try to prhase a hypothesis.

Still - it was a good effort by someone as scientifically illiterate as you are.

Well done you Greggery!

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Reply #110 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:03pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

You did a fair job Greggery - but you were not very accurate:

human-caused carbon dioxide emissions are causing dangerous global warming.

CO2 is not the only anthropogenic gas that is causing global warming. You have not considered methane, sulfur hexaflouride, NOx or CFCs.

And what is "dangerous" global warming. That is a very ambiguous way to try to prhase a hypothesis.

Still - it was a good effort by someone as scientifically illiterate as you are.

Well done you Greggery!

"Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery?"

I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.

Now you're just telling lies.

Lies, Hitler, and gravity. Roll Eyes

There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

Sorry.

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Reply #111 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

You are proposing that the theory of gravitation has equal plausibility to the Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory are you not? Shocked

I propose that there is much more argument against AGWT.

But you can't explain to us what this argument is.
You just seem to take it as an article of faith.

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/ci/31/special/may01_viewpoint.html

Sad

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Reply #112 - Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

What you have actually described is a theory ...

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

It is a theory Greggery, Not a hypothesis.

A theory summarises a group of hypotheses that have been supported with evidence.

There is evidence that the stratosphere is cooling. THis supports the hypothesis that increased CO2 would cause the stratosphere to cool
There is evidence that the sea levels are rising. THis supports the hypothesis that warming oceans would rise through the thermal expansion of water.
There is evidence that outgoing longwave radiation is decreeasing in the same wavelength bands that are absorbed by CO2. THis supports the hypothesis that increasing CO2 would absorb more energy
theses are just a tiny handful of examples of evidence which supports the various hypotheses that make up AGW theory.

Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery?

Is it a religion thing?

There are a few reasons for the stratosphere to cool. What is the evidence the other factors are not in play?

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Reply #113 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:13am

Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...

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Reply #114 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Nope, what I've accurately described is the AGW hypothesis.

You did a fair job Greggery - but you were not very accurate:

human-caused carbon dioxide emissions are causing dangerous global warming.

CO2 is not the only anthropogenic gas that is causing global warming. You have not considered methane, sulfur hexaflouride, NOx or CFCs.

And what is "dangerous" global warming. That is a very ambiguous way to try to prhase a hypothesis.

Still - it was a good effort by someone as scientifically illiterate as you are.

Well done you Greggery!

"Why do you deny that all of this evidence exists Greggery?"

I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.

Now you're just telling lies.

Am I Greggery?

Why then do you insist on referring to AGW as a hypothesis rather than a theory?

Could you explain that for us Greggry?
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

Lies, Hitler, and gravity. Roll Eyes

There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

Sorry.

Why are you incapable of answering the simplest questions Greggery?

What is difference between the thories of AGW and gravity?

Why do you accept the evidence to support one.
But reject the evidence that supports the other?

Why can't you explain this Greggery?

Is it a religion thing?

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Re: Climate-Change Denial Feels The Heat.
Reply #115 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

I don't: I've always said that the evidence exists.

Now you're just telling lies.

Really Greggery!!!!

You have always said that the evidence exists!!!!

Have you?!?!

Funny - you seemed to sat the exact opposite just a few pages ago!:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:26pm:

The AGW hypothesis has no credible convincing evidence and as such the followers of this religion constantly resort to nonsense such as "consensus", irrational fear-mongering, hyperbole, data manipulation, and outright lies.

Why do you consider the evidence that supports gravity to be credible and convincing, but not the evidence that supports AGW?

Could you explain to us what is not credible or convincing about the evidence that suppports AGW.?
Start with stratospheric cooling
Why is this evidence neither credible nor convincing?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

There's no way anything you say from now on can be taken seriously.

I was just thinking the same thing Greggery.

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Reply #116 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:51am

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:13am:

Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...

And yet the owner of the Australian Rupert Murdoch is a firm believer in the science and says we must act against climate change asap. It seems he likes throwing out the bait and taking money from the denialists while being firmly on the side of science.

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Reply #117 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 7:23am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:13am:

Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...

And yet the owner of the Australian Rupert Murdoch is a firm believer in the science and says we must act against climate change asap. It seems he likes throwing out the bait and taking money from the denialists while being firmly on the side of science.

So. What has the peer-reviewed paper got to do with that stupid statement.

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Reply #118 - Jan 15^th, 2013 at 7:25am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 6:13am:

Sea rise 'not linked to warming', says report

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

"We need to move from fear-based to fact-based evidence," Dr Greene said. "We can trust the current models for the next 10 years, but there are problems after 15 years; sea level rises could be better or they could be worse."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/sea-rise-not-linked-to-warmi...

And yet the owner of the Australian Rupert Murdoch is a firm believer in the science and says we must act against climate change asap. It seems he likes throwing out the bait and taking money from the denialists while being firmly on the side of science.

perhaps he just wants to report FACTS regardless of ideology? for goodness sake, grow up!

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