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Reply #375 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:10pm
 
Here is something else for you MOTR.

nights are getting hotter therefore AGW

Not any more. That saying is dead in the water.
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Reply #376 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:37pm
 
Away you go, progs, the floor is all yours.
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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #377 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm
 
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...
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Reply #378 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:57pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:37pm:
Away you go, progs, the floor is all yours.

Yeh I have the floor all the time. So do you.
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Reply #379 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:21pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...


Obfiscate as much as you want, progs. You can't hide the heat forever.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #380 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:34pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...


Obfiscate as much as you want, progs. You can't hide the heat forever.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/warmestdecade.jpg

http://blogs.shell.com/climatechange/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Shifting-Distrib...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ra14mEm1Gmk/TcDEKdHModI/AAAAAAAABE4/OrVJTehVoSc/s1600/...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/29/article-0-0A9BF6E3000005DC-99_468x529....

And they cant make up their own data and cherry pick forever either.

There are many issues with this presentation. It seems to be a big Cherry Picking exercise.

1. Note all of the missing southern hemisphere data.  There are operating weather stations during his time, but they are excluded from the analysis. Why?

2. The period chosen, 1955-1999 (in the bell curve animation) leaves out the warmer 1930′s and the cooler 2000′s. Why?

3. The period from 2000-present has no statistically significant warming. Leaving that period out (of the bell curve animation) biases the presentation.

4. The period chosen exhibits significant postwar growth, urbanization is not considered.

5. As for severe weather, Hansen ignores the fact that neither tornadoes nor hurricanes have shown any increase recently. Only smaller tornadoes show an increase, due to reporting bias thanks to easily affordable and accessible technology.  NOAA’s SPC  reports that July 2012 seems to be at a record low for tornadoes.

And the biggy to which I linked to this thread, is the UHI temps and the station siting is way off causing a warming trend

6. My latest results in Watts et al 2012 suggest surface station data may be biased warmer over the last 30 years.
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Reply #381 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:37pm
 
Watts et al 2012, hey. How about a link to this peer reviewed paper.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:10pm:
Here is something else for you MOTR.

nights are getting hotter therefore AGW

Not any more. That saying is dead in the water.


You're right, progs, nights warming faster than days is one of the indicators that the warming is driven by CO2, not the sun.

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Reply #382 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:42pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:37pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:10pm:
Here is something else for you MOTR.

nights are getting hotter therefore AGW

Not any more. That saying is dead in the water.


You're right, progs, nights warming faster than days is one of the indicators that the warming is driven by CO2, not the sun.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Human_Fingerprints_1024.jpg

That is probably the worst image you have put up yet.

The only thing that got right to a possible emprirical degree, is the amount of co2.

Here is but a few, then I gave up
the less heat escaping is BS.
They (MET) have gotten the data wrong for the stratosphere
Shrinking theremosphere could be from an inactive sun.
Nights warming faster than days. UHI. So not co2, but man-made structures and heating cooling equipement near temperature stations.
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Reply #383 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:53pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...

Goodness!!!  So this is Boris Johnson's take on things!!!  Thank you so much for sharing.

What does Lady Ga-Ga have to say about the issue?  Have your read Warnie's latest paper?  It is marvellous!!


Moron.
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Reply #384 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:20pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:53pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...

Goodness!!!  So this is Boris Johnson's take on things!!!  Thank you so much for sharing.

What does Lady Ga-Ga have to say about the issue?  Have your read Warnie's latest paper?  It is marvellous!!


Moron.

Not my problem you dont know who Boris is. I share it because you may want to keep an eye on who influences the UK in the not too distant future.  Grin

I would give you the moron finger, but you are much worse than that. You being a doomsday cult lemming is a given in the moron stakes, but you are almost up the A of the leader you are that taken in.
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Reply #385 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
What makes Boris an expert on climate, progs? Is he a scientist? Margaret Thatcher knew a thing or two about science, she was actually a chemist and apparently an alarmist and a cultist. Wink



Hang on! Boris might be a cult member as well.



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Greater London is home to around 7,556,9001 people who are spread across 607 square miles. This means it has one of the highest concentrations of electricity demand and CO2 emissions in Great Britain. The Capital also has the UK’s toughest targets to reduce carbon. As a result, the Mayor and the London Development Agency (the LDA) have committed to reduce London’s carbon by 60% by 2025.

These are ambitious targets and to tackle them as well as possible, London has become a test-bed for an urban low-carbon project.

‘Low Carbon London’ will run until June 2014 and features all kinds of initiatives. For example, energy saving measures are being applied to 70% of London’s housing; and, through a ‘Responsible Procurement Strategy’, energy efficiency will be showcased through the Greater London Authority Group’s 8,000 vehicles and 900 buildings.

Transport will play a major role as it is a huge contributor to CO2 emissions. Londoners will be encouraged to move around quickly and easily using low carbon forms of transport, such as electric vehicles, hybrid buses and bicycles.

As well as saving energy, it’s about generating it. The Mayor has a London Plan which is a strategy for improving people’s quality of life in the city. The plan has set a target for 2025, where 25% of its energy needs will be met mainly by generating electricity on a local level. It’s far less wasteful to create energy locally than to transfer it from a power station, miles away.

A Green Enterprise District is being created across east London to help the City become a global leader in the low carbon economy. Spanning the boroughs of Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest, Barking and Dagenham and Havering, the scheme will create 6,000 jobs and help to ‘regenerate one of the most deprived areas in the capital’2 .
The Government will get together with businesses and local communities to save carbon and show what can be achieved.

The Mayor will be working with partners to see if there are any skills shortages which could delay moves to a low carbon future. 17 London universities, who focus on climate change research, have signed up to help.

“I want London to be ahead of the queue, grasping a significant share of the jobs and economic booty arising from this new generation of low carbon goods and services.” 


Pity some of our leaders are hell bent on putting us at the back of the queue.
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Reply #386 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:50pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:29pm:
What makes Boris an expert on climate, progs? Is he a scientist? Margaret Thatcher knew a thing or two about science, she was actually a chemist and apparently an alarmist and a cultist. Wink



Hang on! Boris might be a cult member as well.



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Greater London is home to around 7,556,9001 people who are spread across 607 square miles. This means it has one of the highest concentrations of electricity demand and CO2 emissions in Great Britain. The Capital also has the UK’s toughest targets to reduce carbon. As a result, the Mayor and the London Development Agency (the LDA) have committed to reduce London’s carbon by 60% by 2025.

These are ambitious targets and to tackle them as well as possible, London has become a test-bed for an urban low-carbon project.

‘Low Carbon London’ will run until June 2014 and features all kinds of initiatives. For example, energy saving measures are being applied to 70% of London’s housing; and, through a ‘Responsible Procurement Strategy’, energy efficiency will be showcased through the Greater London Authority Group’s 8,000 vehicles and 900 buildings.

Transport will play a major role as it is a huge contributor to CO2 emissions. Londoners will be encouraged to move around quickly and easily using low carbon forms of transport, such as electric vehicles, hybrid buses and bicycles.

As well as saving energy, it’s about generating it. The Mayor has a London Plan which is a strategy for improving people’s quality of life in the city. The plan has set a target for 2025, where 25% of its energy needs will be met mainly by generating electricity on a local level. It’s far less wasteful to create energy locally than to transfer it from a power station, miles away.

A Green Enterprise District is being created across east London to help the City become a global leader in the low carbon economy. Spanning the boroughs of Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest, Barking and Dagenham and Havering, the scheme will create 6,000 jobs and help to ‘regenerate one of the most deprived areas in the capital’2 .
The Government will get together with businesses and local communities to save carbon and show what can be achieved.

The Mayor will be working with partners to see if there are any skills shortages which could delay moves to a low carbon future. 17 London universities, who focus on climate change research, have signed up to help.

“I want London to be ahead of the queue, grasping a significant share of the jobs and economic booty arising from this new generation of low carbon goods and services.” 


Pity some of our leaders are hell bent on putting us at the back of the queue.

Boris couldnt be a cultist. His mind is too open.
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Reply #387 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 11:16pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:10pm:
Here is something else for you MOTR.

nights are getting hotter therefore AGW

Not any more. That saying is dead in the water.


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A relatively small change in the average temperature can easily double the frequency of extreme heat events. Australia has warmed steadily since the 1940s, and the probability of extreme heat has now increased almost five-fold compared with 50 years ago.

Within the past decade, the number of extreme heat records in Australia has outnumbered extreme cold records by almost 3:1 for daytime maximum temperatures and 5:1 for night-time minimum temperature.

The duration of heat waves has increased in some parts, especially in the northern half of the continent. Put another way, the frequency of abnormally hot days (above the 90th percentile) has increased by 30% and the frequency of hot nights (above the 90th percentile) has increased by 50%.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/jan/21/what-is-causing-australia...

You still haven't given this one a go yet.
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Reply #388 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 11:22pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:37am:
MOTR wrote on Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:23am:
cods wrote on Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:11am:
MOTR wrote on Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:01am:
cods wrote on Jan 12th, 2013 at 7:53am:
oh go away..


http://chechar.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/human-ostrich.gif

Hear no warming, see no warming, hey cods.




it goes both ways MOTR... why arent you out putting fires out???...before the demon climate burns us all to death..


I'm not trained to put out fires, cods.

But you are right, global warming will increase the risk of bush fires.


even though it has done no such thing?

But I do love how weather-climate today but not last year when we had very cool weather and probably wont be next year when it is cooler again.

this is why we can take you climate hysterics seriously. you change the rules according to what happened because you can never predict what WILL happen.


it predicts that the planet is warming. Enough said !!

If you expect a prediction of a certain temperature at a certain time and location then go and piss off. It's not about that. How many times do you have to be told that climate change is about the underlying temperature trends. Try studying the law of averages which you should have learned if you really did have a science degree.


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Reply #389 - Jan 21st, 2013 at 11:26pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 21st, 2013 at 8:56pm:
Funny how Australia goes through a pretty normal heat wave. Hot, but not abnormal given the reasons for it. The high covering the country. The tropical low staying above Australia instead of around the 3/4 mark over Australia and the lower jetstream staying off of Australia which usually spikes up and down midway through Australia.

Now England are talking about a mini-ice age. But dont be fooled. The doomsday cult are here to tell you that heat causes cold. Warmer makes it colder. They will not tell you it is because of the jetstream shift or a non-active sun, but warmer makes it colder.

It’s snowing, and it really feels like the start of a mini ice age
Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch?


By Boris Johnson

Firstly, it’s not just anyone, but Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, personality, and potential Tory leader in the UK.  (He’s got so much potential several Tories in safe seats have offered to resign to let him run.) Secondly, he’s confident, brazen and unapologetic. There are not many of the usual duck-and-cover caveats (only lip-service ones), and no bowing to the bullies who will call him names rather than discuss the ideas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/9814618/Its-snowing-a...


Obfiscate as much as you want, progs. You can't hide the heat forever.



They like to hide the heat in the BHP share price Wink
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