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Reply #45 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

You could always try addressing what I actually said rather than what you think it sounds like.

So where is this 'plenty' of manufacturing going on ?

Anyone actually making solar panels these days ?

They can't even make cars here without paying bribe money to foreign car corporations to stay here Sad

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Reply #46 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:20pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

You could always try addressing what I actually said rather than what you think it sounds like.

So where is this 'plenty' of manufacturing going on ?

Anyone actually making solar panels these days ?

They can't even make cars here without paying bribe money to foreign car corporations to stay here Sad

If mining collapses as you predict, the Aussie $$$$ will fall in value and manufacturing will improve across the board ... the thing that is most hurting manufacturers right now is the high Aussie $$$$

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50548 At my desk.	Re: We owe $4.8 trillion Reply #47 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:21pm It has not moved TNL. It is in the same place it was before the mining boom. One or two factory closures does not wipe out our manufacturing industry. It is a normal part of the industry.
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Reply #48 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

You could always try addressing what I actually said rather than what you think it sounds like.

So where is this 'plenty' of manufacturing going on ?

Anyone actually making solar panels these days ?

They can't even make cars here without paying bribe money to foreign car corporations to stay here Sad

If mining collapses as you predict, the Aussie $$$$ will fall in value and manufacturing will improve across the board ... the thing that is most hurting manufacturers right now is the high Aussie $$$$

I never said that mining would collapse. It's the price of the resources that may nose dive because of more competition and and less demand.

Having said that you can't just restart manufacturing over night because mining has fallen out of favour. Usually when a manufacturer closes its doors it never comes back. Do you honestly think that a manufacture that has moved out of australia to china is going to come back to australia when the dollar goes down ? I think your over optimism is showing there !!

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Reply #49 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:21pm:

It has not moved TNL. It is in the same place it was before the mining boom. One or two factory closures does not wipe out our manufacturing industry. It is a normal part of the industry.

Where have you been ??

Manufacturing has been dying over the last 3 decades and the remaining manufacturers have not modernised and kept up with the competition. They are using old outdated equipment which they keep going by continually repairing and patching it up instead of tossing it and updating it with the latest gear. They are on their last legs or sort of like a dying star Sad

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Reply #50 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

You could always try addressing what I actually said rather than what you think it sounds like.

So where is this 'plenty' of manufacturing going on ?

Anyone actually making solar panels these days ?

They can't even make cars here without paying bribe money to foreign car corporations to stay here Sad

If mining collapses as you predict, the Aussie $$$$ will fall in value and manufacturing will improve across the board ... the thing that is most hurting manufacturers right now is the high Aussie $$$$

I never said that mining would collapse. It's the price of the resources that may nose dive because of more competition and and less demand.

Having said that you can't just restart manufacturing over night because mining has fallen out of favour. Usually when a manufacturer closes its doors it never comes back. Do you honestly think that a manufacture that has moved out of australia to china is going to come back to australia when the dollar goes down ? I think your over optimism is showing there !!

what rubbish ... you don't need a manufacturer to move here from China for manu. to increase ... if GMH (or any other manufacturer) export from Australia an additional 1000 cars next yr because the aussie $ has fallen, we've had an increase in manu. without Mr Wong opening a factory here ...

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: We owe $4.8 trillion Reply #51 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:39pm perc are they the latest figures or old ones.?
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Reply #52 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:47pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

what rubbish ... you don't need a manufacturer to move here from China for manu. to increase ... if GMH (or any other manufacturer) export from Australia an additional 1000 cars next yr because the aussie $ has fallen, we've had an increase in manu. without Mr Wong opening a factory here ...

Are you kidding. Who is buying holden and ford in a big way ??

No one wants to buy it here let alone overseas. Mercedes it is not !!

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Reply #53 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:55pm

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Having said that you can't just restart manufacturing over night

Lucky for us it did not actually stop.

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Manufacturing has been dying over the last 3 decades

Nothing to do with the mining boom then?

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and the remaining manufacturers have not modernised and kept up with the competition

I think you will find that the remaining ones are the ones that have kept up with the competition, by definition.

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They are using old outdated equipment which they keep going by continually repairing and patching it up instead of tossing it and updating it with the latest gear. They are on their last legs or sort of like a dying star

Every country, including Australia, has a range of old and new plants. Not bothering to look for them does not mean they don't exist.You are merely parroting whatever urban myths you have heard from various interest groups. Try thinking for yourself instead.

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Are you kidding. Who is buying holden and ford in a big way ??

I bought one recently. Most people only buy one at a time. That's the auto industry for you.

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Reply #54 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:11pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:55pm:

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Having said that you can't just restart manufacturing over night

Lucky for us it did not actually stop.

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Manufacturing has been dying over the last 3 decades

Nothing to do with the mining boom then?

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and the remaining manufacturers have not modernised and kept up with the competition

I think you will find that the remaining ones are the ones that have kept up with the competition, by definition.

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They are using old outdated equipment which they keep going by continually repairing and patching it up instead of tossing it and updating it with the latest gear. They are on their last legs or sort of like a dying star

Every country, including Australia, has a range of old and new plants. Not bothering to look for them does not mean they don't exist.You are merely parroting whatever urban myths you have heard from various interest groups. Try thinking for yourself instead.

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Are you kidding. Who is buying holden and ford in a big way ??

I bought one recently. Most people only buy one at a time. That's the auto industry for you.

You are dreaming freediver. All of the action is happening in china now.

And if Holden is doing so well then why the need for all of the corporate welfare handouts ? And why are we bailing out a foreign car corporations when we should have had our own brand of car by now ? So much for investment in manufacturing.

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Reply #55 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:14pm

The government should not be bailing out or 'investing' in any industry. Let the weak and old businesses die. This is a good thing, not a harbinger of economic doom. We have a labor shortage and a high dollar. The biggest barrier to a lean economy is people not working where they are most highly valued. Our economy can absorb a lot of hits.

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Reply #56 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 11:08pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:14pm:

The government should not be bailing out or 'investing' in any industry. Let the weak and old businesses die. This is a good thing, not a harbinger of economic doom. We have a labor shortage and a high dollar. The biggest barrier to a lean economy is people not working where they are most highly valued. Our economy can absorb a lot of hits.

your Holden has been heavily subsidized Wink

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111533 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We owe $4.8 trillion Reply #58 - Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 8:29am I am surprised at the reactions on this thread - that I started. Many posters seem to think that our huge debt obligation is a great circumstance to be in. I say - the emperor has no clothes. Only a few of us can see the light.
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Reply #59 - Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 8:34am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

what rubbish ... you don't need a manufacturer to move here from China for manu. to increase ... if GMH (or any other manufacturer) export from Australia an additional 1000 cars next yr because the aussie $ has fallen, we've had an increase in manu. without Mr Wong opening a factory here ...

Are you kidding. Who is buying holden and ford in a big way ??

No one wants to buy it here let alone overseas. Mercedes it is not !!

Did you miss the part that said
(or any other manufacturer)
...I was using GMH simply because they are well known ... the same applies to any manufacturer from your local rubber ducky maker to your international steel suppliers .... but I think you knew that and resorted to ridiculing the example because you have nothing else

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