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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit Reply #45 - Dec 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm hes not the only one to abandon labor!
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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #46 - Dec 15^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

I am sick of hearing people say that young people, as a collective, vote Labor/Green. It's simply not true. I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8. You do get a lot of young, bigoted, bleeding heart lefties who shove their gay marriage/asylum seeker nonsense down your throat, and try to silence and drown out those of conflicting opinions. They give the rest of us a bad name.

IMO, Labor has no values and integrity. All that they want is power, and thankfully it's coming to an end soon.

Why do you say that about gay marriage, Matty? When we were in the Greens you said you’d support gay marriage if I could get you the numbers on transgender equality. You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours, remember?

Please explain.

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Reply #47 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 5:57am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

The next election will be decided on policies.....Australians have a clear choice at the next election....Unlike 2010 when both parties where offering almost the same thing!!!

that really doesnt make any sense phil...

read it slowly...

perhaps whilst you are at it you can explain the CLEAR choices we will have.

one minute we have the labs telling us we vote for Fed policies.and not for the leaders.

. then the next we have them claiming they would vote Lib if it wasnt for Abbott..

and now we have you telling us they were offering the same thing...

dont recall Abbott claiming

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

so its very confusing

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Reply #48 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 6:27am

Kat wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 9:46pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:59pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

I am sick of hearing people say that young people, as a collective, vote Labor/Green. It's simply not true. I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8. You do get a lot of young, bigoted, bleeding heart lefties who shove their gay marriage/asylum seeker nonsense down your throat, and try to silence and drown out those of conflicting opinions. They give the rest of us a bad name.

IMO, Labor has no values and integrity. All that they want is power, and thankfully it's coming to an end soon.

after the libs just got caught trying to circumvent democracy you want to try and play the values and integrity card? Cheesy

Which Libs? To what exactly are you referring?

Ashby and Brough for starters ... Hockey is in there somewhere but he's that thick he has no idea whats happening around him , he may very well be an unintentional pawn in all this, and I'd be surprised if Abbott doesn't tie into it somehow ..... Brough wouldn't start something like this without the knowledge he had the liberal parties support ...

Prove it.

Well Ashby and Brough were mentioned in the judgement as being involved in this little scandal ... Hockey and Pyne (missed him earlier) have admitted having dealings in it, and Abbott, well, his answers don't add up ... call it an educated guess ....

you really need to pull your head out of the sand. I'd suggest you re-read the judgement ...

Show me the proof that Hockey, Pyne and/or Abbott were involved in a campaign to bring down the govt, as is being alleged.

Sounds to me like conjecture, and, as such, requires no proof.

Sounds to me the Judge is a card carrying member of the ALP.

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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #49 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 6:37am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

I am sick of hearing people say that young people, as a collective, vote Labor/Green. It's simply not true. I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8. You do get a lot of young, bigoted, bleeding heart lefties who shove their gay marriage/asylum seeker nonsense down your throat, and try to silence and drown out those of conflicting opinions. They give the rest of us a bad name.

IMO, Labor has no values and integrity. All that they want is power, and thankfully it's coming to an end soon.

Why do you say that about gay marriage, Matty? When we were in the Greens you said you’d support gay marriage if I could get you the numbers on transgender equality. You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours, remember?

Please explain.

I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8.

That is spurt your coffee all over the keyboard kind of funny.

Since I was 8.

You must have been the coolest kid in school matty.

Karnal....get matty a PR person now!

these kind of statements will come back to bite him when he's PM, he can't be allowed to run off at the mouth like this.

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103108	Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit Reply #50 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 9:41am If I can just clarify what Matty is saying - what he really means is that he’s a 56 year old woman who has been a conservative since she left the Greens. No further questions.
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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #51 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 9:52am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:28am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The ALP of old has certainly disappeared. Now it is more of a conservative party with none of the competence or policy originality.

I don't think Labor is becoming more conservative. Their policies used to reflect their desire to do their best for workers and Unions. Now, however, their policies reflect their desire simply to gain and then remain in office. Nothing else matters. It's pure political survival for them with the needs of the nation well down the list of their priorities.

god dont link them with conservatives..please... the right might not get everything right... not in fact they dont... they are human just like me.. and I dont get everything right unlike our lefty mates on here...

however labor is a shamozzle I dont think even their most ardent fans know what its all about anymore..apart from the corruption which seems to stalk it night and day. they have a lot of fancy talk but nothing ever comes of it..then they blame blame blame.. I for one am so sick of that,

5 bloody years and its still Howards fault.

Labor is about whatever gets them more votes. That's why no one knows what Gillard stands for anymore. She's assumed more positions than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes...

As opposed to the libs? carbon tax, no carbon tax, carbon tax no carbon tax ....gst, no gst. gst, no gst, or any other issue you care to name.

as be honest enough to admit they are both only interested in winning elections ... everything else is secondary

The Coalition has always been against a carbon tax. The Coalition has always been for offshore processing. Regarding the GST, Howard changed his mind but took the GST to an election, unlike Gillard, who took the cowardly way with the carbon tax. Gillard is all over the place. You know I'm right.

really? wasn't Abbott the one who said a carbon tax was the best form of reducing emmissions? Didn't the coalition go to the election in 207 with an ETS policy? Didn't the libs change their minds because they though it would help them win the next election? Head ... sand .. you know the rest.

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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #52 - Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:47am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

I am sick of hearing people say that young people, as a collective, vote Labor/Green. It's simply not true. I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8. You do get a lot of young, bigoted, bleeding heart lefties who shove their gay marriage/asylum seeker nonsense down your throat, and try to silence and drown out those of conflicting opinions. They give the rest of us a bad name.

IMO, Labor has no values and integrity. All that they want is power, and thankfully it's coming to an end soon.

Why do you say that about gay marriage, Matty? When we were in the Greens you said you’d support gay marriage if I could get you the numbers on transgender equality. You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours, remember?

Please explain.

I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8.

That is spurt your coffee all over the keyboard kind of funny.

Since I was 8.

You must have been the coolest kid in school matty.

Karnal....get matty a PR person now!

these kind of statements will come back to bite him when he's PM, he can't be allowed to run off at the mouth like this.

I made my first political speech at 12. at 8 I was already taking an interest in politics. not everyone is as slow off the mark as you.

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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #53 - Dec 17^th, 2012 at 9:11pm

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The ALP of old has certainly disappeared. Now it is more of a conservative party with none of the competence or policy originality.

Gee, there must be something in the water today, I just agreed with Maqqa & Now, I agree with Longy.

Well, at least I agree, there is now very little, in the way of real differnces, between the Liberals & Labor, on 99% of issues!

And that doesn't happen too often!

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Reply #54 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 6:09am

John Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:28am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

cods wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The ALP of old has certainly disappeared. Now it is more of a conservative party with none of the competence or policy originality.

I don't think Labor is becoming more conservative. Their policies used to reflect their desire to do their best for workers and Unions. Now, however, their policies reflect their desire simply to gain and then remain in office. Nothing else matters. It's pure political survival for them with the needs of the nation well down the list of their priorities.

god dont link them with conservatives..please... the right might not get everything right... not in fact they dont... they are human just like me.. and I dont get everything right unlike our lefty mates on here...

however labor is a shamozzle I dont think even their most ardent fans know what its all about anymore..apart from the corruption which seems to stalk it night and day. they have a lot of fancy talk but nothing ever comes of it..then they blame blame blame.. I for one am so sick of that,

5 bloody years and its still Howards fault.

Labor is about whatever gets them more votes. That's why no one knows what Gillard stands for anymore. She's assumed more positions than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes...

As opposed to the libs? carbon tax, no carbon tax, carbon tax no carbon tax ....gst, no gst. gst, no gst, or any other issue you care to name.

as be honest enough to admit they are both only interested in winning elections ... everything else is secondary

The Coalition has always been against a carbon tax. The Coalition has always been for offshore processing. Regarding the GST, Howard changed his mind but took the GST to an election, unlike Gillard, who took the cowardly way with the carbon tax. Gillard is all over the place. You know I'm right.

really? wasn't Abbott the one who said a carbon tax was the best form of reducing emmissions? Didn't the coalition go to the election in 207 with an ETS policy? Didn't the libs change their minds because they though it would help them win the next election? Head ... sand .. you know the rest.

No, he wasn't. If you bothered to listen to his comment in its entirety, you'd have known that he basically said that it's the lesser of two evils - carbon dioxide tax or ETS - and of those two evils he'd pick the carbon dioxide tax. Still can't bring yourself to admit Gillard lied to every Australian, eh? So sad... and predictable.

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Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit
Reply #55 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 6:27am

gold_medal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

I am sick of hearing people say that young people, as a collective, vote Labor/Green. It's simply not true. I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8. You do get a lot of young, bigoted, bleeding heart lefties who shove their gay marriage/asylum seeker nonsense down your throat, and try to silence and drown out those of conflicting opinions. They give the rest of us a bad name.

IMO, Labor has no values and integrity. All that they want is power, and thankfully it's coming to an end soon.

Why do you say that about gay marriage, Matty? When we were in the Greens you said you’d support gay marriage if I could get you the numbers on transgender equality. You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours, remember?

Please explain.

I am 22, a staunch Conservative, and have been since I was 8.

That is spurt your coffee all over the keyboard kind of funny.

Since I was 8.

You must have been the coolest kid in school matty.

Karnal....get matty a PR person now!

these kind of statements will come back to bite him when he's PM, he can't be allowed to run off at the mouth like this.

I made my first political speech at 12. at 8 I was already taking an interest in politics. not everyone is as slow off the mark as you.

Hahahahahaha! you are such a liar. . . . .

SOB

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Reply #56 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:46am

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The ALP of old has certainly disappeared. Now it is more of a conservative party with none of the competence or policy originality.

Gee, there must be something in the water today, I just agreed with Maqqa & Now, I agree with Longy.

Well, at least I agree, there is now very little, in the way of real differnces, between the Liberals & Labor, on 99% of issues!

The article which started this thread wasn't written by Maqqa, it is far too thoughtful and intelligent. Maqqa simply regurgitated it because it was anti-Labor.

As for Labor being interested only in power, what political party is any different?

My view is that Labor has lost its way and forgotten its roots in a rush for the centre vote, where the swinging voters sit. These are people who don't really believe in anything and have the "what's in it for me" attitude.

Unfortunately under the Australian voting system, it is the swinging voters who determine the result of election after election. A relatively small number of electors decide the result, the rest needn't bother even voting. If you are a conservative in a strong Labor seat, or vice versa, your vote is meaningless.

The sooner Australia moves to some type of PR, where every vote counts, the better.

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God grant me the patience to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and, above all, the wisdom to tell the difference.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Labor abandoned me, so I quit Reply #57 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:52am It is a general rule that most people become more conservative as they grow older. I moved in the opposite direction, but then, swimming against the tide has been a lifetime habit of mine. The thought of an 8-y-o conservative is scary. What's he going to be like when he reaches my age?
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Reply #58 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:59am

Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The ALP of old has certainly disappeared. Now it is more of a conservative party with none of the competence or policy originality.

Gee, there must be something in the water today, I just agreed with Maqqa & Now, I agree with Longy.

Well, at least I agree, there is now very little, in the way of real differnces, between the Liberals & Labor, on 99% of issues!

The article which started this thread wasn't written by Maqqa, it is far too thoughtful and intelligent. Maqqa simply regurgitated it because it was anti-Labor.

As for Labor being interested only in power, what political party is any different?

My view is that Labor has lost its way and forgotten its roots in a rush for the centre vote, where the swinging voters sit. These are people who don't really believe in anything and have the "what's in it for me" attitude.

Unfortunately under the Australian voting system, it is the swinging voters who determine the result of election after election. A relatively small number of electors decide the result, the rest needn't bother even voting. If you are a conservative in a strong Labor seat, or vice versa, your vote is meaningless.

The sooner Australia moves to some type of PR, where every vote counts, the better.

Stand for nothing?

As a centrist swing voter, that is a really insulting thing to say. I do have ideals and don't always vote purely out of self interest.

I think that it is the rusted-on voters, on both sides, that are stupid, and just continue to vote for the same party over and over again, irrespective of how bad that party may be at the moment.

At last year's NSW election, I can only conclude that all of those who voted Labor were rusted-on voters. They didn't deserve to hold a seat.

Why would anyone be a mindless rusted-on? I can't understand it.

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