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SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd
Dec 7^th, 2012 at 9:45pm

SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Sydney's west],

....but this has nothing to do with ISLAM, or the influence of moslem community in Sydney's west.
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SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence is so out of control in south-west Sydney that residents and children are seeking medical help for post-traumatic stress disorders.

Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks.

....."There are a number of shooting incidents at restaurants in the Bankstown area we are looking at," said Detective Superintendent Debbie Wallace, head of the Middle Eastern Crime Squad.

"Victims of these types of crimes are very reluctant to come forward, naturally because of the fear," Supt Wallace said.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/sunni-shiite-jihad-comes-to-australia-shooting...
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydneys-violent-wild-wild-west/story-e6fre...

Australia, just one, among the many lands to 'enjoy' the ISLAMIC peace.
Coz moslem communities bring along with them the 'ISLAMIC peace', into every country they infect come to live in.
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Murder, rape, extortion; These crimes are all halal [permitted] for moslems, so long as the victims of these crimes are deemed to be 'infidels'.

And of course, even moslems are infidels, if they are the wrong kind of moslems.

THAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM.

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"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."

Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 10:43am so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals? Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?
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Reply #2 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 3:07pm

I was talking to a family member the other day about the amount of fires in Sydney's south west. We had an idea it was members of Sydney's islamic community using fire as an extortion tactic. Abu talks about big bad whitey and his racism towards muslims but it's other muslims doing bad things. They are shooting and stealing from one another. Talk about muslim sisterhood and brotherhood.

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Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 6:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals?

Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?

Thailand
Burma
Philippines
Indonesia
Malaysia
Lebanon
Turkey
Syria
Egypt
Tunisia
Libya
and on,
and on,
and on....

gandalf,

Can you tell me what motivates the moslems in those nations, to intimidate, rape, kill and rob and to oppress 'other' people ?

Is it because those 'other' people, do not believe what moslems believe ?

It is because those 'other' people, are deemed by moslems, to be infidels, and therefore worthy of,
.....no mercy from moslems ?

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Muslims like to brag that theirs is the fastest-growing religion,
but don’t like to say how. Last week in Pakistan, a 70-year-old
Christian missionary (above) was shot in the neck for preaching
a faith other than Islam, and a 14-year-old Christian girl was
kidnapped, raped for eleven days and then ‘converted’ to
the Religion of Peace with the approval of a local imam.

Here is a catalogue of the actions of people claiming to be moslems, and claiming to be serving ISLAM/Allah....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

gandalf,

Are those miscreants liars [i.e. are they not REAL moslems] ?

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of those who do not believe, as they believe.

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 8:07pm Thats nice Yadda, but you've completely avoided my question. Try again. Hint: we're talking about crime in Sydney and who commits it.
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Reply #5 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals?

gandalf,

As you are very well aware, no moslem is a criminal.

Allah has declared that all moslems are righteous people'enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong'.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?

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Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks.

Gee, Mark, which religious sects? Baptists and Methodists? Calvinists and Arminians?

..... She confirmed that in some cases religion is used by those making the threats.

Zowie, Supt Wallace, which religion? Jainism? Zen Buddhism?

..... Dr Jamal Riffi, a general practitioner and one of the most respected Muslim leaders in the area said he was seeing an increasing number of patients who were suffering anxiety from being extorted.

"I have patients who have small businesses who are being intimidated and extorted on a weekly basis," he said.

"It is the worst I have ever seen it. Some of these men are hiding behind their religion, saying they are Muslims and have a right to do what they are doing. That is wrong. They are criminals threatening people in their own community."

An angry Dr Riffi, who has a good relationship with police in the area and on the Middle eastern gang squad, said it was time the police hierarchy and politicians did something seriously about the problem.

If these people are criminals hiding behind their Islamic faith, shouldn't the Muslim community do something about it? Or is it all up to the police hierarchy and politicians?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/sunni-shiite-jihad-comes-to-australia-shooting...

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Reply #6 - Dec 8^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

Yadda I have no doubt that at least some of these crimes are committed by young men of a muslim background. Thats not what I'm asking though. I'm asking where is the evidence that these men are practicing muslims who commit their crimes specifically in the name of islam. This is an important point since you went to great lengths to (mis)quote quranic verses linking islam with this sort of behaviour - clearly insinuating that these criminals were in fact motivated by islam. So is it not reasonable to ask for evidence that indicates that these men are this religiously inspired type of criminal?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #7 - Dec 9^th, 2012 at 4:03am Real Moslems wouldn't be doing that. Real Moslems would be teaching people who to read and write regardless of the language and the story told. Isn't that right Islam
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #8 - Dec 9^th, 2012 at 5:15am Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2012 at 9:53pm Agree. I did 10 years in Mt Druitt as a kid. Probably 100 fights before I even got to High School. It was a case of spot the Moslem if ever there was.
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Reply #10 - Dec 9^th, 2012 at 10:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

Yadda I have no doubt that at least some of these crimes are committed by young men of a muslim background. Thats not what I'm asking though. I'm asking where is the evidence that these men are practicing muslims who commit their crimes specifically in the name of islam. This is an important point since you went to great lengths to (mis)quote quranic verses linking islam with this sort of behaviour - clearly insinuating that these criminals were in fact motivated by islam. So is it not reasonable to ask for evidence that indicates that these men are this religiously inspired type of criminal?

gandalf,

Silly boy!

All moslems are practicing moslems.

Otherwise they would be INFIDELS.

And all ISLAMIC sources agree on that point, that a NON-practicing moslem, is an apostate [i.e. a non-moslem, AN INFIDEL].

So how can you refer to those criminals as 'moslems', UNLESS THEY ARE MOSLEMS, and their conduct, though seemingly reprehensible, is sanctioned by ISLAM ?

Q.
Why so, why would such ['unlawful'] conduct be permitted [among its cadres] by ISLAM, and by the [pious moslem] leaders of the ISLAMIC community ?

A.
So as to create societal chaos within a Kuffar jurisdiction [ <---- which is TOTALLY in-line with ISLAMIC tactics, and the broader strategic ISLAMIC interests, to undermine the laws and society of the infidels. So as to create societal chaos within a Kuffar jurisdiction.]

MORE HERE....
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Walid Shoebat explains that MURUNA [i.e. engaging in [normally] prohibited conduct] is sanctioned [made lawful] by ISLAM [for practising moslems], so long as the intended consequence [of engaging in the [normally] prohibited conduct] was to advance the interests of ISLAM, in the Western nation, where the moslem is living.

MURUNA, is; to make legal, what is prohibited

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1354878259/0#0

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Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd
Reply #11 - Dec 9^th, 2012 at 11:15pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

All moslems are practicing moslems.

Otherwise they would be INFIDELS.

So how do you know these criminals are not infidels then? Presumably you have evidence that these are genuine, practicing muslims - as opposed to apostates/infidels?

You know, rather than being under-cover agents of a sinister worldwide islamic takeover plan, these uneducated, unemployed sons/grandsons of Lebanese refugees might just be common criminals who have no affiliation with islam? Maybe??

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Syd Reply #12 - Dec 10^th, 2012 at 4:32am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 5:15am: Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city.
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Reply #13 - Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:46am

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 4:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 5:15am:

Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam.

SOB

It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city.

Do the area changes slightly with population movement.

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Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 4:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 5:15am:

Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam.

SOB

It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city.

Do the area changes slightly with population movement.

SOB

I don't know what you are alluding to. The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality.

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