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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Israel, Palestine Resolution Votes Reply #15 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:44pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: Like firing 1000’s of missiles. So you are saying that its not ok for a country to defend itself against occupation and illegal acts of war? Palestine isn't a country?
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Re: Israel, Palestine Resolution Votes
Reply #16 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:44pm

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Like firing 1000’s of missiles. Shocked

So you are saying that its not ok for a country to defend itself against occupation and illegal acts of war?

Hell no, fire another 10,000, it’s working so well for the people of Palestine, after all.

So if someone was to invade and occupy Israel, US, UK or Australia? You would expect them to not do anything and allow their civilians to be killed and put into ghettos?

No way, we’d also buy 2bob rockets and keep lobbing them over the border, it works so well.

Yeah, how dare they not drop white phosphorous on schools like the civilised jews.
So you do support Palestine's right to defend itself?

I think lobbing rockets at Israel isn’t working.

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees. If the choice is between having some pride and having absolutely nothing, no man would pick the latter.

So I guess they will continue to buy rockets, fire them at Israel and end up dead on their feet and with nothing, but some pride, apparently.

Who’s making/forcing the choice, the greater Palestinian population, or radicals and Hamas I wonder?

As opposed to ending up dead on their knees with no pride.

Who's making/forcing the choice, the greater population, or radical zionists I wonder?

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Reply #17 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:58pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Like firing 1000’s of missiles. Shocked

So you are saying that its not ok for a country to defend itself against occupation and illegal acts of war?

Hell no, fire another 10,000, it’s working so well for the people of Palestine, after all.

So if someone was to invade and occupy Israel, US, UK or Australia? You would expect them to not do anything and allow their civilians to be killed and put into ghettos?

No way, we’d also buy 2bob rockets and keep lobbing them over the border, it works so well.

Yeah, how dare they not drop white phosphorous on schools like the civilised jews.
So you do support Palestine's right to defend itself?

I think lobbing rockets at Israel isn’t working.

Better to die on your feet then live on your knees. If the choice is between having some pride and having absolutely nothing, no man would pick the latter.

So I guess they will continue to buy rockets, fire them at Israel and end up dead on their feet and with nothing, but some pride, apparently.

Who’s making/forcing the choice, the greater Palestinian population, or radicals and Hamas I wonder?

As opposed to ending up dead on their knees with no pride.

Who's making/forcing the choice, the greater population, or radical zionists I wonder?

Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

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Reply #18 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm

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Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

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Reply #19 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

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Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

LOL, my ideas don’t matter, yours either.

I just thought there might be another way, other than firing rockets and dying....with pride.

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Reply #20 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

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Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

LOL, my ideas don’t matter, yours either.

I just thought there might be another way, other than firing rockets and dying....with pride.

Yeah I wonder how ww2 would have ended up if the allies used the same logic.

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Reply #21 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:46pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

Quote:

Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

LOL, my ideas don’t matter, yours either.

I just thought there might be another way, other than firing rockets and dying....with pride.

Yeah I wonder how ww2 would have ended up if the allies used the same logic.

Wonder away…

Though, for that analogy to work, Israel would have invaded and destroyed Palestine many, many decades ago. I don’t think Hitler played this nice with Poland and Czechoslovakia.

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Reply #22 - Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:53pm

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

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Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

LOL, my ideas don’t matter, yours either.

I just thought there might be another way, other than firing rockets and dying....with pride.

Yeah I wonder how ww2 would have ended up if the allies used the same logic.

Wonder away…

Though, for that analogy to work, Israel would have invaded and destroyed Palestine many, many decades ago. I don’t think Hitler played this nice with Poland and Czechoslovakia.

So you are saying a sustained suffering on an unimaginable scale for over half a century is not as bad?

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Reply #23 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 9:02am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

Quote:

Looks like we are back to firing rockets.

Hope they enjoy their pride.

Looks like you are out of ideas.
Why do you not have an issue with Israel firing rockets?
Also its funny you raise the issue of governments making decisions for their people, I don't see you sticking up for Westerners who oppose 'defending' ourselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc..?

LOL, my ideas don’t matter, yours either.

I just thought there might be another way, other than firing rockets and dying....with pride.

Yeah I wonder how ww2 would have ended up if the allies used the same logic.

Wonder away…

Though, for that analogy to work, Israel would have invaded and destroyed Palestine many, many decades ago. I don’t think Hitler played this nice with Poland and Czechoslovakia.

So you are saying a sustained suffering on an unimaginable scale for over half a century is not as bad?

No, stop putting words in my mouth Roll Eyes

I'm saying it's a stupid analogy.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Israel, Palestine Resolution Votes Reply #24 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 9:28am Quote: No, stop putting words in my mouth Roll Eyes I'm saying it's a stupid analogy. So how is it stupid?
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Reply #25 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 10:01am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

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No, stop putting words in my mouth Roll Eyes

I'm saying it's a stupid analogy.

So how is it stupid?

OK, as usual you are correct. WW2 is a perfect analogy to use along side the Israel/Palestine conflict.

The 2 are just so god damn similar I almost thought they were the same thing!

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Reply #26 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 10:08am

FriYAY wrote on Dec 6^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

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No, stop putting words in my mouth Roll Eyes

I'm saying it's a stupid analogy.

So how is it stupid?

OK, as usual you are correct. WW2 is a perfect analogy to use along side the Israel/Palestine conflict.

The 2 are just so god damn similar I almost thought they were the same thing!

A violent and oppressive army invading and occupying foreign lands. Check.
A violent and oppressive army killing innocent people. Check
A violent and oppressive army forcing innocent people into ghettos based on their ethnicity. Check
A violent and oppressive army led by people with radical ideas on being superior to other people. Check
A violent and oppressive army using chemical weapons on civilians. Check.
A violent and oppressive army using relentless propaganda on its own people and the world. Check.
A violent and oppressive army using mass graves to bury civilians they slaughtered. Check.
Fiscal and land restrictions on people based on ethnicity. Check.
Removing peoples freedoms based on ethnicity. Check.
Telling people to leave or be killed. Check.
Using physical things to identify certain people based on ethnicity. Check.
Refusal of right to return to people based on ethnicity. Check.
Strong restrictions on freedom of speech and education. Check.
Taking away power, food, water, medicine, jobs etc.. Check.
A violent and oppressive political force trying to control the world. Check.

Massacres. Check:
The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacre
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Western Bekaa villages Massacre
Gaza "Cast lead operation" Massacre

The only thing that isn't the same is that we aren't trying to stop them.

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Reply #27 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 10:49am

Just like WW2.

August – Hitler signs non-aggression treaty with the USSR.
September 1 – 1.5 million troops invade Poland – hopes the world will turn a blind eye
September 3 – WW2

I’m not on anyone’s side in all this.

I don’t have answers.

Shooting 1000’s of rockets isn’t working, maybe there is another way, that’s all I’m saying.

I hope someone can broker a peace deal.

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Reply #28 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 2:12pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 5^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Like firing 1000’s of missiles. Shocked

So you are saying that its not ok for a country to defend itself against occupation and illegal acts of war?

Palestine isn't a country?

Swagman,
Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine:

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What language did the Palestinians speak?
3. What writing [script] did they use?
4. What manuscripts did they leave?
5. What was their religion?
6. Where are their temples?
7. What monuments attest to their existence?
8. What were its borders?
9. What was the name of its capital?
10. What were its major cities?
11. What constituted the basis of its economy?
12. What was the name of the currency that they used?
13. What was its form of government?
14. What achievements have they accomplished?
15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?
16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?
17. What archaeological sites can one name?
18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?
19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?
20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?
21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?
23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?

Those Q's [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciUb9wSkbnE

TRUTH

Part 072 - Promised Land in the Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS__tSFa4hc

Part 146A - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-HkGLs-KVU

Part 146B - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tpcPbZ9NM0

Part 146C - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOg5_qUsS10

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED;

Here are a full listing of YOUTUBE audio files [in English, by an Arabic speaker], which challenge ISLAM, Mohammed's prophet-hood, and teh virtue of Allah/moslems;
http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/

Some of the YT links are now dead.

But these audio files are worth chasing up [i.e. find new links].

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Reply #29 - Dec 6^th, 2012 at 3:52pm

FriYAY wrote on Dec 6^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

Just like WW2.

August – Hitler signs non-aggression treaty with the USSR.
September 1 – 1.5 million troops invade Poland – hopes the world will turn a blind eye
September 3 – WW2

I’m not on anyone’s side in all this.

I don’t have answers.

Shooting 1000’s of rockets isn’t working, maybe there is another way, that’s all I’m saying.

I hope someone can broker a peace deal.

The impact on the Palestinians is exactly the same and probably x1000000 considering how long it has been going on now.

Just try and imagine the response if Jews were in Palestine's position for over half a century.

At the end of the day the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves even if it is not productive and its wrong to say otherwise.

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