polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8
th, 2012 at 8:40pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 8
th, 2012 at 7:16pm:
gandalf,
And your argument is ???
That pious and righteous moslems must be permitted to riot, and call for the beheading of critics of ISLAM ?
Still a little hard for you to grasp? Maybe if you weren't so obsessed with
misquoting the quran
and spamming each and every post with
historically unverified biographical accounts
of the prophet, you might have a better chance.
I quote
ISLAMIC historic sources, but i am a hateful person who misrepresents ISLAM and moslems, because NOW you tell me! that those
ISLAMIC historic sources are
'historically unverified biographical accounts'
.igandalf....
Quote:But to put it REALLY simply for you...
1. you view muslims as rioting and murderous thugs - and they are like this because they are merely following the example of the prophet and the orders given to them in the quran. Furthermore, they actively promote this behaviour as being essential to being a good muslim.
"And fight them until.....religion is for Allah."
"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,"
002.193
YUSUFALI:
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression,
and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more,
and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution,
and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. igandalf....
Quote:2. Paradoxically, while promoting and justifying the above behaviour, they somehow also try and discredit and reject the accounts that portray Mohammad as displaying the above mentioned qualities (ie murderer and terrorist) - and inexplicably attempt to paint the prophet as tolerant and opposed to the same thugish behaviour described above.
So what are we yadda? 1 or 2? We can't be both - if we're 1, then we're terrorists, and proud of it - and we certainly wouldn't want to promote anything other than a terrorist-loving prophet. But if its 2, then we are presumably arguing for a tolerant and peaceful islam - and would reject the behaviour described in 1.
Hint: this is not a debate about how big a liars muslims are - the point is if they hold both 1 and 2, they are defeating their own arguments. Muslims may be lying or being deceptive, but it only works if they are deceptive about one of them - attempting both doesn't work.
gandalf,
Was Mohammed a benefactor of mankind, a benefactor to the people of his age ?
Is that your argument ?
"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196
And there i [Yadda] go again!!! ...quoting those
>> ISLAMIC <<
'historically unverified biographical accounts'
.
+++
gandalf,
When it all comes down to the end of the line in a debate on morality [...as far as moslems are concerned];
It is the moslems who are ALWAYS the correct/righteous people.
And it is the infidels that are ALWAYS in error.+++
'Archimedes2' - speaking of Robert Spencer, @ Jihad Watch,
about how Jihadists and apologists for ISLAM, respond to his constant criticism of ISLAM...
Quote:"So many things could be added. I recall the nasty, nasty criticism
that you are only masquerading as a christian, but you're really a Jew!
(Boy, they sure know how to hit below the belt, don't they?

)
And a Zionist to boot!
And didn't one fellow, pinned down by references to authoritative islamic sourcesbut unwilling to surrender his point, accuse you of having demonic zionist magical powers
and using them to alter the Koran and Hadith?
Wow. That's gotta be #101 on the list!
....
The argument goes:
1. Spencer is criticizing Islam (which they would posit as self-evident);
2. Ergo, all his statements are wrong and invalid. Case closed. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/05/refutin-on-a-friday-afternoon.html#comment-354...