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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #45 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01pm

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bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support". The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em - You?

They are only stronger by about 3 billion a year in high tech weapons from the US. That sort of puts the jews at unfair advantage wouldn't you think ?

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #46 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:55pm:

Hi Light,
both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children -
that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven.

Now - where is the justice?
Why are our leaders not condemning it?
Surely a normal rational person would see what I see?
The vote on this thread is already overwhelming that a war crime was committed -
from just one photo.

Bump to anyone.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #47 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm Hi Light, both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children - that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven. __________ and whom did CNN tell you inflicted this attack? and why are you so quick to believe them? namaste
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #48 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm this war is organised murder like all wars there are many TRILLIONS spent on covert ops.. do any deny this fact? so be it namaste
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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #49 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:12pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Hi Light,
both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children -
that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven.

__________

and whom did CNN tell you inflicted this attack?

and why are you so quick to believe them?

namaste

CNN said it was the Israelis.

Imagine if these bombs had gone of course & landed in a shelter
where there were 1000 women & children?
It could have happened.
You can't use weapons like that in civilian areas - it's outrageous.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #50 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:21pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support". The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em - You?

They are only stronger by about 3 billion a year in high tech weapons from the US. That sort of puts the jews at unfair advantage wouldn't you think ?

Yep. Butwhatcanyado?

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #51 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:23pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm:

this war is organised murder

like all wars

there are many TRILLIONS spent on covert ops..

do any deny this fact?

so be it

namaste

Well actually Light - if you want the figure read Nail's thread.
Israel gets about $3 billion in free USA weapons to use as they please to kill Arabs - every year.

Obama says that :
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/18/15257041-obama-israel-has-every-right...

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no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders

Did he also mean American bombs dropping on women & children in Gaza?
I'm a little confused by his statement.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #52 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Imagine if these bombs had gone of course & landed in a shelter
where there were 1000 women & children?
It could have happened.
You can't use weapons like that in civilian areas - it's outrageous.

Its outrageous to fire rockets from apartment buildings and then say people cannot defend themselves against these attacks because innocent people could get hurt.

This link will help cut through the propaganda-
Gaza crisis- The legal position of Israel and Hamas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20415886

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #53 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:32pm

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou.

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Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned.

Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships.
Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
It's illegal and a war crime.
War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #54 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou.

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Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned.

Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships.
Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
It's illegal and a war crime.
War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

Somehow the west still only sees the arabs as terrorists and the jews as having the right to defend themselves Sad

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #55 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:40pm The West needs to stop projecting onto Jews...give it a rest...White Western Violence and aggression is entirely responsible for the Palestinian crises....
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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #56 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou.

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Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned.

Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships.
Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
It's illegal and a war crime.
War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

What did it say about Hamas firing rockets from civilian buildings?
It also says they can defend themselves and considering what they have dropped you would expect a higher death toll.

Secondary explosions of ammo,rocket propellant etc can be hard to predict,at least the secondaries let you know you have hit a good target.

The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand which should not be confused with chanting Allahu akbar for a guidance system.

At least we have a ceasefire so hamas can rearm and then then resume hostilities at a time when they are stronger.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #57 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:45pm So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #58 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:48pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is this an Israeli war crime? Reply #59 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:48pm Baron, Quote: The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand So they can differentiate between one house & another at 5 miles? That's news to me. Grow a brain would you.
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Question: Was this a war crime?
yes 7 (58.3%) no 4 (33.3%) not sure 1 (8.3%) Total votes: 12 « Created by: Bobby. on: Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:39pm »