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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #45 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:00pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Dont have to think about it, just read it and weap as you have been doing. MET's empirical data shows 0.5 degrees over norm 16 years ago, with the same 0.5 degrees over norm today.

I dont think 16 years is significant.Close though. 17 years maybe because climate scientists have said 17 years is enough for a trend.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Don't run away again Progs. Answer the question. After all, you even have poor old fools like Greggery repeating your nonsense now.

Simple question:
Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Well you would have to provide your evidence first. God knows where you get the information. Probably that crap site skepticalscience. I would need to know what you are on about before considering answering. Then I would need to consider if i should be bothered.

BTW can you answer how you cant figure out that 0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Oh well.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #46 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Dont have to think about it, just read it and weap as you have been doing. MET's empirical data shows 0.5 degrees over norm 16 years ago, with the same 0.5 degrees over norm today.

I dont think 16 years is significant.Close though. 17 years maybe because climate scientists have said 17 years is enough for a trend.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Don't run away again Progs. Answer the question. After all, you even have poor old fools like Greggery repeating your nonsense now.

Simple question:
Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Well you would have to provide your evidence first. God knows where you get the information. Probably that crap site skepticalscience. I would need to know what you are on about before considering answering. Then I would need to consider if i should be bothered.

BTW can you answer how you cant figure out that 0.5 equals 0.5

Arctic ice cap shrinking:

record minimum ice extent on September 16
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Global glacial mass balance decreasing:
The average mass balance of the glaciers with available long-term observation series around the world continues to be negative, with tentative figures indicating a further thickness reduction of 0.83 metres water equivalent (m w.e.) during the hydrological year 2010. The new data continues the global trend in strong ice loss over the past few decades and brings the cumulative average thickness loss of the reference glaciers since 1980 at about 15 m w.e.
http://www.geo.uzh.ch/microsite/wgms/mbb/sum10.html

Sea Levels Rising:

High quality measurements of (near)-global sea level have been made since late 1992 by satellite altimeters, in particular, TOPEX/Poseidon (launched August, 1992), Jason-1 (launched December, 2001) and Jason-2 (launched June, 2008). This data has shown a more-or-less steady increase in Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) of around 3.1 ± 0.4 mm/year over that period. This is more than 50% larger than the average value over the 20th century.
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/index.html

Ocean Temperature Rising:

Global sea surface temperature is approximately 1 degree C higher now than 140 years ago, and is one of the primary physical impacts of climate change.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/coast_sea/sea-surface-temperature

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #47 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:09pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:00pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Dont have to think about it, just read it and weap as you have been doing. MET's empirical data shows 0.5 degrees over norm 16 years ago, with the same 0.5 degrees over norm today.

I dont think 16 years is significant.Close though. 17 years maybe because climate scientists have said 17 years is enough for a trend.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Don't run away again Progs. Answer the question. After all, you even have poor old fools like Greggery repeating your nonsense now.

Simple question:
Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Well you would have to provide your evidence first. God knows where you get the information. Probably that crap site skepticalscience. I would need to know what you are on about before considering answering. Then I would need to consider if i should be bothered.

BTW can you answer how you cant figure out that 0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Oh well.

That is not an answer.

You have been accused of telling lies.

You repeatedly write that the earth has not warmed for 16 years. I say that is a lie. And I say that you are a liar.

What do you have to say in your defence?

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Why can't you answer the question?

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #48 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:09pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Dont have to think about it, just read it and weap as you have been doing. MET's empirical data shows 0.5 degrees over norm 16 years ago, with the same 0.5 degrees over norm today.

I dont think 16 years is significant.Close though. 17 years maybe because climate scientists have said 17 years is enough for a trend.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Don't run away again Progs. Answer the question. After all, you even have poor old fools like Greggery repeating your nonsense now.

Simple question:
Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

0.5 equals 0.5

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years

Answer the question Progs.

Show us how smart you are.

Well you would have to provide your evidence first. God knows where you get the information. Probably that crap site skepticalscience. I would need to know what you are on about before considering answering. Then I would need to consider if i should be bothered.

BTW can you answer how you cant figure out that 0.5 equals 0.5

Arctic ice cap shrinking:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2000/11/Figure2-350x280.png
record minimum ice extent on September 16
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Global glacial mass balance decreasing:
The average mass balance of the glaciers with available long-term observation series around the world continues to be negative, with tentative figures indicating a further thickness reduction of 0.83 metres water equivalent (m w.e.) during the hydrological year 2010. The new data continues the global trend in strong ice loss over the past few decades and brings the cumulative average thickness loss of the reference glaciers since 1980 at about 15 m w.e.
http://www.geo.uzh.ch/microsite/wgms/mbb/sum10.html
http://www.geo.uzh.ch/microsite/wgms/mbb/mbb12/Fig1_2010.jpg

Sea Levels Rising:

http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/images/CSIRO_GMSL_figure.jpg
High quality measurements of (near)-global sea level have been made since late 1992 by satellite altimeters, in particular, TOPEX/Poseidon (launched August, 1992), Jason-1 (launched December, 2001) and Jason-2 (launched June, 2008). This data has shown a more-or-less steady increase in Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) of around 3.1 ± 0.4 mm/year over that period. This is more than 50% larger than the average value over the 20th century.
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/index.html

Ocean Temperature Rising:

Global sea surface temperature is approximately 1 degree C higher now than 140 years ago, and is one of the primary physical impacts of climate change.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/coast_sea/sea-surface-temperature

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Some pretty pictures you've got there.

Nothing to do with humans though.

Do you know what the "A" stands for in AGW?

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #49 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:09pm:

Some pretty pictures you've got there.

Nothing to do with humans though.

Do you know what the "A" stands for in AGW?

Yes I do Greggery. Anthropogenic.

The significant increase in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 in recent decades is mainly from CO2 from ANTHROPOGENIC sources.

We know this because it can be measured.
You have been shown evidence of this Greggery.

We can measure the C12/C13 ratio of atmospheric carbon and determine how much of it has come from fossil fuel sources.

You have been shown this evidence Greggery - -but you say it is "not credible"

Why Greggery?

Why cant you explain this opinion you have? Perhaps you might like to explain to us now why you think that measuring the C12/C13 ratio of atmospheric carbon is not a credible way of determining how much atmospheric cO2 is anthropogenic in origin? You asked for evidence about a particular point - (http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1352071339/75) - you were shown it - and now you just run away when asjked to explain why you think it is not "credible"

Don't run away again Greggery. Answer the question

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #51 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #52 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:20pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:15pm:

Yes I do Greggery. Anthropogenic.

Good. We're getting somewhere.

And do you know what 'climate' is?

Yes Greggery.

Climate encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological elemental measurements in a given region over long periods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate

See! Answering questions is fun! Why don't you try it Greggery?
Don't run away again.

Could you please explain to us why you think that measuring the C12/C13 ratio of atmospheric carbon is not a credible way of determining how much atmospheric cO2 is anthropogenic in origin?

You asked for evidence that the majority of the increase in atmospheric CO2 in the past century in anthropogenic - and you were shown it. Why do you claim the evidence you were shown is not credible? Any reason? Or is it because you are just an ignorant old man who refuses to believe anything unless it comes from Andrew Bolt?

That is what it looks like Greggery. Especially since you continually cowardly refuse to explain your position.

Stop running away Greggery. Answer the question.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #53 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #54 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #55 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:40pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

You told us the earth has not warmed in 16 years didn't you?

Are you now admiitting that you lied when you said that?

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #56 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:57pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

You told us the earth has not warmed in 16 years didn't you?

Are you now admiitting that you lied when you said that?

I guess the only person running away is you

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #57 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:24pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

You told us the earth has not warmed in 16 years didn't you?

Are you now admiitting that you lied when you said that?

I guess the only person running away is you

You told us that the earth has not warmed in 16 years.

Then you told us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing."

How exatyly did "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" cause arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing without he planet warming?!?!?!

Could you please explain?

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #58 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:31pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

You told us the earth has not warmed in 16 years didn't you?

Are you now admiitting that you lied when you said that?

I guess the only person running away is you

You told us that the earth has not warmed in 16 years.

Then you told us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing."

How exatyly did "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" cause arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing without he planet warming?!?!?!

Could you please explain?

wun wabbit wun.

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Re: CATALYST - Taking Our Temperature
Reply #59 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Now, perhaps you would like to answer the question you keep running away from:

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

Don't keep running away.

Answer.

Partly
Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect.

Do you want to try for a % of responsibility of each.

So you are telling us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect". are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures. Is that right?

How exactly is this happening if, as you tell us, the planet has not warmed in 16 years?
Could you explain please?

How is Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures if the planet's temperature has not risen in 16 years?

You asked your question and I answered, now you answer mine. Because you are not up with the climate change information, i will let you just estimate the % of responsiblity you think co2 has within the range of your question and the real climate variables, all of them, not just what I mentioned.

Urbanisation would be a good one to add.
Localisation.
Jetstream placement
Ocean currents.

You told us the earth has not warmed in 16 years didn't you?

Are you now admiitting that you lied when you said that?

I guess the only person running away is you

You told us that the earth has not warmed in 16 years.

Then you told us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing."

How exatyly did "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" cause arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing without he planet warming?!?!?!

Could you please explain?

wun wabbit wun.

Has the earth warmed in the past 16 years of not?

You appear to have just contradicted yourself. Could you please explain why?

You told us that the earth has not warmed in 16 years.

Then you told us that "Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" are causing arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing."

Which is it?

Are you telling us that the sun has contributed to arctic ice melt without making the earth warmer?!?!?! How does that work?

I am very very grateful that you have attempted to answer the question. But your answer appears contradictory.

Please explain how Sun, temp lag in the ocean, cloud cover extent, magnetic pole position and of course green house effect" could cause arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing without making the planet warmer?!?!?!

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