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Reply #75 - Nov 11th, 2012 at 8:34pm
 
Given that Islam commands Muslims to have the best means, why would they do that?
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Reply #76 - Nov 11th, 2012 at 9:10pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 12:10pm:
Only scum who couldn't care less if kids get blown to smithereens... eg. yourself.

So long as it's done in an orderly and sanitised fashion with high-tech weaponry of course, with a good dose of "collateral damage propaganda" to ease the conscience.


Was the 98% figure made up?
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Reply #77 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:50am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 12:10pm:
Only scum who couldn't care less if kids get blown to smithereens... eg. yourself.

So long as it's done in an orderly and sanitised fashion with high-tech weaponry of course, with a good dose of "collateral damage propaganda" to ease the conscience.



Seems muslims are not averse to killing civies and children after all.Afghan attack kills newborn baby and mother:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20289608
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Reply #78 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:11am
 
An interesting statistic at the end of the article:

According to the United Nations, some 1,145 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in the first six months of the year.

It blames 80% of these deaths on insurgents, with more than half caused by roadside bombs.
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Reply #79 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:25am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Only scum who couldn't care less if kids get blown to smithereens... eg. yourself.






May 14, 2008
Iraqi jihadists use 8-year-old girl as suicide bomber
The lovers of death achieve a new low. "Girl, 8,
strapped with remote-controlled explosives
and used as suicide bomber by Iraqi insurgents," from the Daily Mail....
......An eight-year-old girl was strapped with remote-controlled explosives and used as a human bomb by Iraqi insurgents in a blast that killed an Iraqi commander earlier today.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/05/iraqi-jihadists-use-8-year-old-girl-as-suicide...

.....Aussie Sheik Feiz Mohammed would be so proud!!!


Use children as troops, says cleric
By Luke McIlveen and staff writers
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/australia-muslim-cleric-calls-jews-pigs-and-ur...




January 28, 2008
Al-Qaeda using children as suicide bombers
Feel the love. "Qaeda using children as suicide bombers: US," from AFP (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
BAGHDAD - Al-Qaeda is using children as suicide bombers in Iraq, with at least two attacks in the past week committed by 15-year-olds, a US military commander claimed on Sunday.
We are not sure whether one of these children even knew he was being used to deliver a bomb,” Rear Admiral Gregory Smith told a news conference in Baghdad.
.....“Al-Qaeda in Iraq is trying to brainwash children with hate and death... they seek to create a culture of violence, hate and despair,” said Smith.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/01/al-qaeda-using-children-as-suicide-bombers.htm...



February 6, 2008
Al-Qaeda training young boys for jihad in Iraq
Children as young as six.
"Al Qaeda Trains Young Boys as Terrorists, Tapes Show," by Jennifer Griffin for FoxNews (thanks to Arturo):
WASHINGTON — Al Qaeda propaganda tapes released by the Pentagon reveal a possible new trend in the group's terror strategy in Iraq.
The tapes, obtained by FOXNews and later released to the media, are training videos showing black-masked Iraqi children between 6 and 14 being taught how to hold AK-47s, how to stop a car and carry out a kidnapping, how to break into a house and how to break into a courtyard and terrorize the individuals living there.
Footage aired for reporters showed an apparent training operation in which the boys are shown storming a house and holding guns to the heads of mock residents. Another tape showed a young boy wearing a suicide vest and posing with automatic weapons.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/al-qaeda-training-young-boys-for-jihad-in-iraq...






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And how does an ISLAMIST explain or justify such killing of women and children ?





"However, if children are killed, the fault lies with..." somebody else of course, with non-muslims.
....never, never, ever, with ISLAM.


There Can Be No End to Jihad'
Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends.
posted 11/05/2007
....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html



i.e.
SO, ACCORDING TO THE DUPLICITY OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA....

If those who resist ISLAMISTS inadvertently kill innocents  = = THEY, ARE DEMONS FROM HELL

But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents  = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents]






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Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

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.....The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists.


Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it.

In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html







SO, from the perspective of moslem / ISLAMIST use of semantics, and, according to the determination of the true morality of killing innocents during the 'righteous' but bloody struggle to establish the supremacy of moslems, and Allah's law;


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.....those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.





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Reply #80 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
Abu are you suggesting that the 98% statistic is 'undisputed'? I realise you keep insisting they are all civilians anyway, including the soldiers, but this is a claim about what everyone else thinks, not your own warped view.

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Are you suggesting that attacking soldiers in their homes when they're not fighting, is legitimate?


Abu, can you please explain this Islamic concept of being a soldier by day and knocking off at five and expecting everyone to leave you alone? It doesn't make sense to me. How is it supposed to work? Is everyone who is currently fighting in wars in the name of Islam merely a civilian?

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10th, 2012 at 7:14am:
As I've stated, in my opinion 100% of them are civilians. The so called "militants" are just civilians who are trying to defend their homes from the dogs that are invading them.


Who is invading where Abu?

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Reply #81 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:49pm:
The statistics are undisputed, except by U.S government agencies, for obvious reasons.

The only issue with the original article is perhaps its wording.


perhaps its wording?? Abu, it was plain WRONG - its as simple as that. The article repeated a claim made by the Daily Mail regarding the Stanford and NYU study which was blatantly incorrect. Nowhere did the study make any claim remotely close to what the Daily Mail claimed it said - that only 1 in 49 deaths were not civilians. I really have no idea why you want to obfuscate this, the lie only damages the awareness campaign about these devastating and illegal strikes.

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Fact is the overwhelming majority of casualties of drone strikes are civilians (by all standards)

apart from the one and only study cited by the Stanford/NYU study:

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The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3] TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals.


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Reply #82 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:29pm
 
Because Abu believes that Muslims are innocent by definition, the facts don't actually matter to him, and by extension the facts all agree with him, regardless of the truth.
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Reply #83 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:18am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Only scum who couldn't care less if kids get blown to smithereens... eg. yourself.






Moslems routinely use civilians as shields wherever they engage infidels, in 'Jihad operations'.

That fact is undeniable Abu.




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Here is a well produced, and simple graphic explanation of how Hamas in Gaza [i.e. moslems], attack Israeli targets [often civilian Israeli targets] , and deliberately use Gaza civilians as shields for these MILITARY 'Jihad operations' against Israeli targets.

Then whenever [or if,] civilians are injured or killed, Hamas will cynically blame Israel, when it is Hamas that has deliberately placed those civilians in harms way - AS A MILITARY TACTIC, IN THEIR WAR AGAINST ISRAEL.


Hamas Terrorist Tactics in the Gaza Strip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuN2oGdnwHI


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Reply #84 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:22am
 
So Yadda, please confirm that you want us to support people who have been responsible for the deaths of millions of children because their enemies have killed a few thousand?
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Reply #85 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:31am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:22am:

So Yadda, please confirm that you want us to support people who have been responsible for the deaths of millions of children because their enemies have killed a few thousand?




Western Apologist,

So, have you stopped beating you wife yet ???

A Yes,
OR,
No,     ......answer will do.


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Reply #86 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:31am:
Western Apologist,

So, have you stopped beating you wife yet ???

A Yes,
OR,
No,     ......answer will do.



Huh
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Reply #87 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 7:39pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:22am:
So Yadda, please confirm that you want us to support people who have been responsible for the deaths of millions of children because their enemies have killed a few thousand?



Islam?
They have killed many more civilians than any other.

Deliberately targetting women and children with bombs full of ball bearings strapped to them.

Cowardly scum.
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Reply #88 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 9:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Abu are you suggesting that the 98% statistic is 'undisputed'? I realise you keep insisting they are all civilians anyway, including the soldiers, but this is a claim about what everyone else thinks, not your own warped view.


I didn't specifically say 98%. But pretty much all independent agencies who have conducted reports on this, agree that the vast overwhelming majority of victims are civilians. The only reports which claim otherwise are one's commission by U.S government agencies, naturally.

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Abu, can you please explain this Islamic concept of being a soldier by day and knocking off at five and expecting everyone to leave you alone? It doesn't make sense to me. How is it supposed to work? Is everyone who is currently fighting in wars in the name of Islam merely a civilian?


Perhaps you can give me your opinion on the issue first so we cans see where your stance is, and whether there's even any need for me to clarify. Do you think a soldier who is absent from the battlefield is a legitimate target in his family home? Along with his wife and children?

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Who is invading where Abu?


Are you really that simple that you don't know? In your little fantasy revision of reality, all Western troops are sitting in their barracks at home playing cards are they?
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Reply #89 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 9:11pm
 
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I didn't specifically say 98%.


Of course not, but if you claim the statistics are undisputed it is a bit silly to refuse to say which statistics you are talking about. Are you trying to admit that the 98% figure is indeed completely made up? Do you have any figures that are a bit closer to reality?

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Perhaps you can give me your opinion on the issue first so we cans see where your stance is


Sure. If you are a soldier by say, you cannot expect to be considered a civilian at night. Your turn.

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Do you think a soldier who is absent from the battlefield is a legitimate target in his family home? Along with his wife and children?


Where exactly is this battlefield? If the Muslims were man enough to meet on a battlefield it would all be over in about 20 seconds. It is entirely up to them what sort of combat unfolds.

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Are you really that simple that you don't know? In your little fantasy revision of reality, all Western troops are sitting in their barracks at home playing cards are they?


Your original article was about Pakistan Abu. Perhaps you didn't notice.
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