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Reply #15 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:24am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

Big Dave wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:31am:

The Taliban fight under the feet of women and children.

Is this like the tale that OBL was hiding behind one of his wives? Criminals will fabricate anything to justify their crimes.

Big Dave wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:31am:

Go OUT IN THE DESERT YOU COWARDS?

Are you saying anyone who does not sit in the middle of a desert waiting patiently to be killed is a coward? Are you suggesting that attacking soldiers in their homes when they're not fighting, is legitimate? And that their families (including little children) become legitimate targets when they are off duty? You're despicable, a disgrace to humanity, I honestly don't know how maggots like you look yourselves in the mirror.

Are you this dense? Really? I can't believe we have someone here who is so mentally deficient. I honestly feel bad discussing anything with you, kinda like racing with a guy on crutches to get into a queue.

You know as well as me you dumb douche that your holy warriors fight amongst civilians for military purposes and the resulting propaganda value. On SBS the other night on Syria they were talking about that same thing. You are so dumb that everything you say is full of holes. That's why everybody is lining up to have a shot at you.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #16 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:36am One thing is sure about abu's idol OBL, he sure didn't come out firing. He presented himself for heaven just like a good mass murderer should. Now he sleeps with the fishes. The Americans said they were going to get him and they did. Great days.
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Bowen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 703 Gender:	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #17 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures? It's the main problem of this world. Anyone can keep their own culture, but should live with different cultures in peace.
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Reply #18 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:09am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

It does state only 2% are actual militant leaders. The rest are presumed to be civilians.

um... no.

it quoted a study which claimed that:

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The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.

"high level" targets do not account for total numbers of targeted non-civilians. How do we know this? Because the only estimate of civilian casualties cited in the whole paper gives a ratio not even remotely close to that:
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The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3]

Obviously this is not even remotely close to either a 1:49 ratio, or a 98% civilian death rate. Roll Eyes

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PressTV like any other media outlet just reports what it finds, presenting it in a way that serves its ideological bent. Nothing new there, nothing all other media agencies don't do.

Any news agency that publishes blatantly false information loses credibility. Its as simple as that. This article not only repeats a blatantly false claim about a reputable study, it also quotes someone who is making equally outrageously false claims. How do you suppose this sort of sloppy journalism is benefiting the muslim cause Abu? It will take people 2 seconds to realise the claims made about civilian casualties are false, and suddenly no one will bother digesting the really important points in the report.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:45am Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am: Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures? Muslims are themselves made up of vastly different cultures, so that makes no sense.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20276 Gender:	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:47am Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am: Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures? What about the non white racists bowen , are you suggesting only white man is racist?
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Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:53am

No, I don't think only white people have racists (I never said all white men are racists.). All the racists should be against. And I against all the racists in any cultures. I believe people should live together with other people from different cultures.

However, in Australia, most of the extreme racists are white men now. And when I am against racists, you feel I am always against white racists, but actually, I am against all racists.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures?

What about the non white racists bowen , are you suggesting only white man is racist?

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Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:56am

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

No, I don't think only white people have racists (I never said all white men are racists.). All the racists should be against.

However, in Australia, most of the extreme racists are white men now.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures?

What about the non white racists bowen , are you suggesting only white man is racist?

Well using your logic most of the racists in China would be Chinese

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Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:00am

I am against all racists, no matter who they are.

While most of racists in Australia are white men, you feel I am always against white racists, but It's not true.

I am against Anglo-Saxon racists, Chinese racists, Islam racists and any other racists.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

No, I don't think only white people have racists (I never said all white men are racists.). All the racists should be against.

However, in Australia, most of the extreme racists are white men now.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

Why nether white racist nor extreme Muslim can live with people from different cultures?

What about the non white racists bowen , are you suggesting only white man is racist?

Well using your logic most of the racists in China would be Chinese

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:04am Yadda, the photographs you post are as representative of the majority of moderate Muslims as the pics of Westboro Church 'protesters' are of Christians.
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Reply #25 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:14pm

Annie,

What is worthy, for a servant of God ?

Praying to God, or inciting [and doing] murder ?

Making a mistaken supplication to God ?

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Or inciting [and doing] murder ?

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Psalms 50:2
Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
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16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

John 16:1
These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

1 Thessalonians 5:17
Pray without ceasing.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Bowen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 703 Gender:	Re: Victims of US terror finally getting some coverage Reply #26 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm These are not about culture but crime about threat. Yadda wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:14pm: Annie, IMAGE... http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
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Reply #27 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:34pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

These are not about culture but crime about threat.

Yadda wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Annie,

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Bowen-
What is the prescribed punishment under Islamic law for someone who insults prophet mohammad?

Islamic culture has the death penalty for those who insult the prophet.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #28 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

it quoted a study which claimed that:

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The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.

"high level" targets do not account for total numbers of targeted non-civilians. How do we know this? Because the only estimate of civilian casualties cited in the whole paper gives a ratio not even remotely close to that:
Quote:

The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3]

Obviously this is not even remotely close to either a 1:49 ratio, or a 98% civilian death rate. Roll Eyes

Here's another which states that for every militant killed, 10 civilians die.

Anyway, as I stated, in my opinion ALL of them are civilians. Even those bearing arms, are civilians, merely taking up arms to defend themselves against these invading dogs.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Any news agency that publishes blatantly false information loses credibility. Its as simple as that. This article not only repeats a blatantly false claim about a reputable study, it also quotes someone who is making equally outrageously false claims. How do you suppose this sort of sloppy journalism is benefiting the muslim cause Abu? It will take people 2 seconds to realise the claims made about civilian casualties are false, and suddenly no one will bother digesting the really important points in the report.

All news agencies do this. I'm guessing you don't read any news then.

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Reply #29 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:57pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

it quoted a study which claimed that:

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The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.

"high level" targets do not account for total numbers of targeted non-civilians. How do we know this? Because the only estimate of civilian casualties cited in the whole paper gives a ratio not even remotely close to that:
Quote:

The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3]

Obviously this is not even remotely close to either a 1:49 ratio, or a 98% civilian death rate. Roll Eyes

Here's another which states that for every militant killed, 10 civilians die.

Anyway, as I stated, in my opinion ALL of them are civilians. Even those bearing arms, are civilians, merely taking up arms to defend themselves against these invading dogs.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Any news agency that publishes blatantly false information loses credibility. Its as simple as that. This article not only repeats a blatantly false claim about a reputable study, it also quotes someone who is making equally outrageously false claims. How do you suppose this sort of sloppy journalism is benefiting the muslim cause Abu? It will take people 2 seconds to realise the claims made about civilian casualties are false, and suddenly no one will bother digesting the really important points in the report.

All news agencies do this. I'm guessing you don't read any news then.

Here is one that says 84% of those killed by remote piloted vehicles are militants.

Lots of links to back up claims in this one Abu.

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/15/voice_of_a_native_son_drones_may...

Every Hellfire missile has a camera inside to record what it hit, every air attack is filmed from several angles.

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