Yes Abu, here is post 88, which by anyone's standard is a deflection, not a straight answer. Note for example where you suggest I give my opinion 'first'. Normally this would be interpretted as you offering to give your opinion 'second' but obviously normal doesn't apply here.
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 14
th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 12
th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Abu are you suggesting that the 98% statistic is 'undisputed'? I realise you keep insisting they are all civilians anyway, including the soldiers, but this is a claim about what everyone else thinks, not your own warped view.
I didn't specifically say 98%. But pretty much all independent agencies who have conducted reports on this, agree that the vast overwhelming majority of victims are civilians. The only reports which claim otherwise are one's commission by U.S government agencies, naturally.
freediver wrote on Nov 12
th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Abu, can you please explain this Islamic concept of being a soldier by day and knocking off at five and expecting everyone to leave you alone? It doesn't make sense to me. How is it supposed to work? Is everyone who is currently fighting in wars in the name of Islam merely a civilian?
Perhaps you can give me your opinion on the issue first so we cans see where your stance is, and whether there's even any need for me to clarify. Do you think a soldier who is absent from the battlefield is a legitimate target in his family home? Along with his wife and children?
freediver wrote on Nov 12
th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Who is invading where Abu?
Are you really that simple that you don't know? In your little fantasy revision of reality, all Western troops are sitting in their barracks at home playing cards are they?
Here is my response, post 89:
freediver wrote on Nov 14
th, 2012 at 9:11pm:
Quote:I didn't specifically say 98%.
Of course not, but if you claim the statistics are undisputed it is a bit silly to refuse to say which statistics you are talking about. Are you trying to admit that the 98% figure is indeed completely made up? Do you have any figures that are a bit closer to reality?
Quote:Perhaps you can give me your opinion on the issue first so we cans see where your stance is
Sure. If you are a soldier by say, you cannot expect to be considered a civilian at night. Your turn.
Quote:Do you think a soldier who is absent from the battlefield is a legitimate target in his family home? Along with his wife and children?
Where exactly is this battlefield? If the Muslims were man enough to meet on a battlefield it would all be over in about 20 seconds. It is entirely up to them what sort of combat unfolds.
Quote:Are you really that simple that you don't know? In your little fantasy revision of reality, all Western troops are sitting in their barracks at home playing cards are they?
Your original article was about Pakistan Abu. Perhaps you didn't notice.
Abu you have presented statistics that are completely made up. The only interpretation you have offered of those statistics is that they are 'undisputed' or that they do not matter anyway because all Muslims are innocent by definition. You appeared to concede that the term 'undisputed' may not be a reasonable description of the statistics you presented, but made vague references to other statistics that you think are undisputed. This is hardly a straight answer. You have also made some pretty absurd claims about Islamic militants being civilians by definition, that you are also trying to run away from now. You have attempted to pretend that the conflict in the middle east is conducted on a battlefield, so you appear to have even less awareness of what is happening there than what Australia is actually like, if that is possible. You have also implied that the US is invading Pakistan, but of course you have spent pages dillligently avoiding this topic ever since you introduced it.
So let's start with something simple: do you concede that the 98% statistic you originally presented was completely fabricated?
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