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Nov 4th, 2012 at 8:24pm
 
US drone attacks in Pakistan kill 98% innocent civilians: Analyst


A prominent American journalist says recent studies show that 98 percent of people killed in US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan are innocent civilians.

“The idea that they’re not civilians killed is silly. The British independent journalists have investigated this very carefully and there was just a recent study by Stanford University and New York University that studied the drone hits and what they found was that only about 2% of the casualties were considered militant leaders and that the rest were either civilians or sort of collateral damage,” said Foreign Policy in Focus columnist Conn Hallinan in a recent Press TV interview.

The comments come as a new study conducted by Stanford and New York Universities shows that only one in 50 people killed by US assassination drones are militants in Pakistan while the rest are innocent civilians.

The report concludes that Washington is terrorizing women and children as well as men round the clock with its pilotless aircraft attacks.

“This shows that drone strikes go much further than simply killing innocent civilians. An entire region is being terrorized by the constant threat of death from the skies,” said Clive Stafford, who participated in interviewing people for the study.

Meanwhile, CIA Director David Petraeus is striving to obtain the White House’s approval for a significant expansion of the US spy agency’s fleet of assassination drones, a move which has raised concern among US officials about the CIA’s increased involvement in lethal operations.

Pakistani tribal regions are the target of US terror drones, with Washington claiming that its unmanned aircraft are targeting militants. However, casualty figures indicate that Pakistani civilians are the main victims of the assaults.

The killing of Pakistani civilians, including women and children, in the strikes has strained relations between Islamabad and Washington, prompting Pakistani officials to send warnings to the US administration over the assaults.

"The idea that we are not killing any civilians is laughable and it really hasn’t even been accepted very much in the United States so when the CIA came out with that statement nobody paid a whole lot of attention to it. It’s obviously false,” Hallinan concluded.

Source: Press TV
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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:44pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 8:24pm:
US drone attacks in Pakistan kill 98% innocent civilians: Analyst


A prominent American journalist says recent studies show that 98 percent of people killed in US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan are innocent civilians.

“The idea that they’re not civilians killed is silly. The British independent journalists have investigated this very carefully and there was just a recent study by Stanford University and New York University that studied the drone hits and what they found was that only about 2% of the casualties were considered militant leaders and that the rest were either civilians or sort of collateral damage,” said Foreign Policy in Focus columnist Conn Hallinan in a recent Press TV interview.

The comments come as a new study conducted by Stanford and New York Universities shows that only one in 50 people killed by US assassination drones are militants in Pakistan while the rest are innocent civilians.

The report concludes that Washington is terrorizing women and children as well as men round the clock with its pilotless aircraft attacks.

“This shows that drone strikes go much further than simply killing innocent civilians. An entire region is being terrorized by the constant threat of death from the skies,” said Clive Stafford, who participated in interviewing people for the study.

Meanwhile, CIA Director David Petraeus is striving to obtain the White House’s approval for a significant expansion of the US spy agency’s fleet of assassination drones, a move which has raised concern among US officials about the CIA’s increased involvement in lethal operations.

Pakistani tribal regions are the target of US terror drones, with Washington claiming that its unmanned aircraft are targeting militants. However, casualty figures indicate that Pakistani civilians are the main victims of the assaults.

The killing of Pakistani civilians, including women and children, in the strikes has strained relations between Islamabad and Washington, prompting Pakistani officials to send warnings to the US administration over the assaults.

"The idea that we are not killing any civilians is laughable and it really hasn’t even been accepted very much in the United States so when the CIA came out with that statement nobody paid a whole lot of attention to it. It’s obviously false,” Hallinan concluded.

Source: Press TV



Conn (Ringo) Hallinan
GI Civil Liberties Defense Committee

Circa 1969, Conn Hallinan, President, American Federation of Teachers Local 1570, Berkeley , was listed as a sponsor of the Socialist Workers Party led GI Civil Liberties Defense Committee .[1]
People's Daily World

In 1986 Conn Hallinan was a Staff Writer for the Communist Party USA newspaper People's Daily World

In 1986, Conn Hallinan was a board member of the U.S. Peace Council


In 1991 Ringo Hallinan, Northern California, was one of several hundred Communist Party USA members to sign the a paper "An initiative to Unite and Renew the Party"-most signatories left the Party after the December 1991 conference to found Committees of Correspondence.
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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 4:31am
 
The Taliban fight under the feet of women and children. It's because they are cowards. That's why civilians are getting hit. More civilians are actually being killed by the Taliban than the Americans . In Syria right now it's a civilian murder rampage. The Syrian rebels are doing the same thing there. Fighting in civilian neighbourhoods and in peoples houses. Go OUT IN THE DESERT YOU COWARDS?
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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:27pm
 
sorry to say Abu, but you've been duped. Nowhere in the Stanford and GJC study is a civilian-militant ratio of 50 to 1 mentioned. The Daily Mail literally just made that up. The study in fact is not about coming up with raw figure estimates, its a qualitative study about the extent of the traumatic impact to the local communities. Its an interesting read:
http://livingunderdrones.org/report/

Unfortunately, by relying on this false claim, your press TV article loses all credibility.
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
sorry to say Abu, but you've been duped. Nowhere in the Stanford and GJC study is a civilian-militant ratio of 50 to 1 mentioned. The Daily Mail literally just made that up. The study in fact is not about coming up with raw figure estimates, its a qualitative study about the extent of the traumatic impact to the local communities. Its an interesting read:
http://livingunderdrones.org/report/

Unfortunately, by relying on this false claim, your press TV article loses all credibility.



His 'presstv' article is Iranian government propaganda anyway...
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:59pm
 
The OP is probably all true.

The Pakistani government is easily the most corrupt in its locale. Having never achieved the democratic and humanitarian heights of its rival neighbour...

Jinnah was shocked to the core about the failure of Pakistan as an ideal Islamic state. He died before he could save his imagined Islamic utopia living in peace with Hindustan
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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:16pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:59pm:
The OP is probably all true.

The Pakistani government is easily the most corrupt in its locale. Having never achieved the democratic and humanitarian heights of its rival neighbour...

Jinnah was shocked to the core about the failure of Pakistan as an ideal Islamic state.

He died before he could save his imagined Islamic utopia living in peace with Hindustan





The course of [modern] Pakistan's short history, AND ITS EXAMPLE TO ALL, AS AN ISLAMIC STATE, must be a terrible disappointment to the followers of Mohammed, who gaze upon it.



Google;
pakistan, land of the pure



Quote:

"The name Pakistan means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian...."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

Can you believe it ?     LOL

Pakistan, the land of the pure.


i.e.
Just like ISLAM is pure, no doubt.

Clearly the founding fathers of Pakistan were engaging in some self congratulatory, self-aggrandisement of their nation, in the choice of their nations name ?

i.e.
"We in this land are wonderful people.....and so even the name of our nation should reflect our nature ."

???

And the fruit never falls far from the tree, does it ?....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110i

ISLAM, a false religion for a false people.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:16pm:
ISLAM, a false religion for a false people.

Come on, Yadda, don't prove yourself to be the idiot we already believe you are.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:22pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:16pm:
ISLAM, a false religion for a false people.

Come on, Yadda, don't prove yourself to be the idiot we already believe you are.




Hmmmmm.

I seem to have pushed somebody's button!!!                 Tongue


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:56pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

The course of [modern] Pakistan's short history, AND ITS EXAMPLE TO ALL, AS AN ISLAMIC STATE, must be a terrible disappointment to the followers of Mohammed, who gaze upon it.



Google;
pakistan, land of the pure



Quote:

"The name Pakistan means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian...."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan







'Our Identity Is Pakistan' is an online fan of Pakistan;

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LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

Blessed be the sacred land,
Happy be the bounteous realm,
Symbol of high resolve, Land of Pakistan. Blessed be thou citadel of faith.


The Order of this Sacred Land
Is the might of the brotherhood of the people. May the nation, the country, and the State Shine in glory everlasting. Blessed be the goal of our ambition.


This flag of the Crescent and the Star Leads the way to progress and perfection, Interpreter of our past, glory of our present, Inspiration of our future, Symbol of Almighty's protection.



http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL37DC7B73E924412D

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
sorry to say Abu, but you've been duped.


I have not been duped, I'm simply posting a news article.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
Nowhere in the Stanford and GJC study is a civilian-militant ratio of 50 to 1 mentioned. The Daily Mail literally just made that up.


It does state only 2% are actual militant leaders. The rest are presumed to be civilians. As resistance movements to foreign occupations are usually just civilians who defend their lands, in my opinion they're all civilians anyway, so in my estimation, the 2% is still too high, they're all civilians.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
Unfortunately, by relying on this false claim, your press TV article loses all credibility.


PressTV like any other media outlet just reports what it finds, presenting it in a way that serves its ideological bent. Nothing new there, nothing all other media agencies don't do.
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Big Dave wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 4:31am:
The Taliban fight under the feet of women and children.


Is this like the tale that OBL was hiding behind one of his wives? Criminals will fabricate anything to justify their crimes.

Big Dave wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 4:31am:
Go OUT IN THE DESERT YOU COWARDS?


Are you saying anyone who does not sit in the middle of a desert waiting patiently to be killed is a coward? Are you suggesting that attacking soldiers in their homes when they're not fighting, is legitimate? And that their families (including little children) become legitimate targets when they are off duty? You're despicable, a disgrace to humanity, I honestly don't know how maggots like you look yourselves in the mirror.

Are you this dense? Really? I can't believe we have someone here who is so mentally deficient. I honestly feel bad discussing anything with you, kinda like racing with a guy on crutches to get into a queue.
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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Big Dave wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 4:31am:
The Taliban fight under the feet of women and children.


Is this like the tale that OBL was hiding behind one of his wives?


Criminals will fabricate anything to justify their crimes.







Yadda holds up mirror, to ISLAM, and moslems.




IMAGE...
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London, moslem street protests.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion', to kill people who disagree with their religion.






KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


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Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"[/i]


Haven't you tired of posting that same old picture over and over Yadda? Haven't you come to the conclusion it really doesn't carry as much weight for most as it does in your small little mind?

A few people protesting for the death penatly, EXPOSING the hypocrisy of so called "Freedom of speech", and you actually think you've got some all in one, win any debate, one size fits all, picture to answer everything?

You're deluded.
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Reply #14 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 10:26pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"[/i]


Haven't you tired of posting that same old picture over and over Yadda? Haven't you come to the conclusion it really doesn't carry as much weight for most as it does in your small little mind?

A few people protesting for the death penatly, EXPOSING the hypocrisy of so called "Freedom of speech", and you actually think you've got some all in one, win any debate, one size fits all, picture to answer everything?


You're deluded.






Abu,

No, i am not deluded.

But you are a fraud,                 because you are trying to dismiss the authenticity, of the public claims, of moslems, which have been inconveniently exposed, in those examples that i have referred to.





Abu,

The truth, which you cannot escape, is that by any reasonable account, ISLAM is an intolerant, violent, vicious, death cult....





"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260








FROM ISLAMIC LAW

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."







Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece






Quote:

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...


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