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Karnal wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 1:58pm:
In putting forward what are fairly reasonable arguments, I've been called a Freemason, a do-gooder, a ratbag and a lefty.


Don'r forget 'faggot'.
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Reply #17 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 2:31pm
 
bambu wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

The Beast;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3I9syVEGQ





Try this one folks!.......

BEHOLD THE BEAST

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/


.....only prob is, that that site is not a glitzy video.

A person has to actually read, and try to absorb, intellectually, what is revealed.





Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:......


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
Don'r forget 'faggot'.


Exactly. Or to be precise: "dirty little invert".
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Reply #19 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 2:31pm:
Try this one folks!.......

BEHOLD THE BEAST



.....only prob is, that that site is not a glitzy video.

A person has to actually read, and try to absorb, intellectually, what is revealed.





Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:......





I write children's books.

The next one will be called

Teddy and the kids talk to an adult about Yadda
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Reply #21 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:48pm
 
Can you imagine flat batting that cat standing on it’s hind legs, with a shovel.

It’d be pretty funny.

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What's funny about picking on defenceless creatures?
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Reply #23 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:14pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Both his Presidential races born in baptisms of fire...

The GFC and Hurricane Sandy...

What will the US voting mystics make of that, I wonder?





So Europe got the American president it wanted – the one who would present no threat to its own delusions. The United States is now officially one of us: an Old World country complete with class hatred, ethnic Balkanisation, bourgeois guilt and a paternalist ruling elite. And it is locked into the same death spiral of high public spending and self-defeating wealth redistribution as we are. Welcome to the future, and the beginning of what may turn out to be the terminal decline of the West.

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The saddest development is the one that is most counter-intuitive. Mr Obama – who famously ran in 2008 as the post-racial candidate – has polarised the nation racially in a way that it has not been for half a century, reversing what had been the progressive trend toward real social integration and colour blindness in American political life. Ninety-three per cent of black voters – 93 per cent – voted for Obama in this election, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones. But if non-white ethnic groups are choosing to segregate themselves electorally – quite often with little regard for their actual economic or social interests – white voters are not. Only 59 per cent of them supported Romney: a majority but not an overwhelming one. Some of this was down to the class war issue: blue collar voters were encouraged to see Romney as a rapacious capitalist who would destroy people’s livelihoods if the balance sheet dictated it.

But that was an unfortunate consequence of this particular candidate’s credentials. There is a more historically significant, and possibly more permanent, development too. The United States has now acquired an electorally powerful liberal bourgeoisie who are convinced, as their European counterparts have been for several generations, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that public spending is inherently virtuous, that poverty can be cured by penalising wealth creation, and that government intervention can engineer social “fairness”. But just when some of Europe’s political class has begun to appreciate the dangers of this philosophy – that taken to its logical conclusion, it leads to economic stagnation and social division – America seems to have decided that it is the quintessence of enlightened sophistication.

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Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:14pm:
So Europe got the American president it wanted – the one who would present no threat to its own delusions. The United States is now officially one of us: an Old World country complete with class hatred, ethnic Balkanisation, bourgeois guilt and a paternalist ruling elite. And it is locked into the same death spiral of high public spending and self-defeating wealth redistribution as we are. Welcome to the future, and the beginning of what may turn out to be the terminal decline of the West.

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The saddest development is the one that is most counter-intuitive. Mr Obama – who famously ran in 2008 as the post-racial candidate – has polarised the nation racially in a way that it has not been for half a century, reversing what had been the progressive trend toward real social integration and colour blindness in American political life. Ninety-three per cent of black voters – 93 per cent – voted for Obama in this election, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones. But if non-white ethnic groups are choosing to segregate themselves electorally – quite often with little regard for their actual economic or social interests – white voters are not. Only 59 per cent of them supported Romney: a majority but not an overwhelming one. Some of this was down to the class war issue: blue collar voters were encouraged to see Romney as a rapacious capitalist who would destroy people’s livelihoods if the balance sheet dictated it.

But that was an unfortunate consequence of this particular candidate’s credentials. There is a more historically significant, and possibly more permanent, development too. The United States has now acquired an electorally powerful liberal bourgeoisie who are convinced, as their European counterparts have been for several generations, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that public spending is inherently virtuous, that poverty can be cured by penalising wealth creation, and that government intervention can engineer social “fairness”. But just when some of Europe’s political class has begun to appreciate the dangers of this philosophy – that taken to its logical conclusion, it leads to economic stagnation and social division – America seems to have decided that it is the quintessence of enlightened sophistication.







Janet Daley: Winner of the Silliest Anti-Obama Article of the Year Award

http://neilclark66.blogspot.jp/2008/11/janet-daley-winner-of-silliest-anti.html
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darkhall67 wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:23pm:
Janet Daley: Winner of the Silliest Anti-Obama Article of the Year Award

http://neilclark66.blogspot.jp/2008/11/janet-daley-winner-of-silliest-anti.html



Good article.  I especially enjoyed the complete absence of any explanation as to what made it 'silly'. 
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http://www.vdare.com/articles/ignore-mainstream-media-and-mainstream-gop-spin-on-romney-loss-it-was-white-vote

Ignore Mainstream Media AND Mainstream GOP Spin On Romney Loss—It Was His Failure With The White Working Class That Did Him In

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Before I knew the election results, the demographic breakdowns, or read any of the spin from the Mainstream Media, I had a pretty good idea of how I would write up the election if Romney lost.

I would just Google “Hispanic vote” and find a bunch of MSM articles quoting Republican strategists and politicians about how poorly Romney had done among Hispanics. I knew they would bring up the phony 44% Bush supposedly won in 2004 and how Romney alienated Hispanics with his talk (back in the primaries) about “self-deportation.” 

I would then note that Romney had in fact done very little to promote patriotic immigration reform in the general election, much bring up racially-tinged issues such as Affirmative Action which could have won him blue collar voters in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—much more important than the alleged Hispanic swing vote.

And of course, the MSM did not disappoint. Article after article made trite talk about the Hispanic vote, filled with quotes from GOP hacks urging that the party find some magical way to appeal to this demographic. A few examples:

        Some analysts and Republican strategists argued that the party could not win while alienating the growing Hispanic vote with its tough stance on immigration…“But there is also a hole in the Republican electorate,” [Fred Barnes] continued. “There aren’t enough Hispanics. As long as two-thirds of the growing Hispanic voting bloc lines up with Democrats, it will be increasingly difficult (though hardly impossible) for Republicans to win national elections. When George W. Bush won a narrow re-election in 2004, he got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. If Romney had managed that, he would have come closer to winning. He might even have won.”

    [G.O.P. Factions Grapple Over Meaning of Loss, by Michael Cooper, New York Times, November 7, 2012]

        [P]arty leaders should [rethink] how to appeal to Hispanics and other demographic groups who supported Obama’s re-election, [Newt] Gingrich said. “Unless we do that we’re going to be a minority party”

    [Republicans Stung by Loss Begin Debate Over Future, Mike Dorning and John McCormick, Bloomberg, November, 7 2012]

        But make no mistake: What happened last night was a demographic time bomb that had been ticking and that blew up in GOP faces…So the Republicans are maximizing their share with white voters; they just aren't getting the rest....the most significant event of this presidential contest might very well have been the 2010 census.

    [First Thoughts: Obama's demographic edge, Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower, NBC News, November 7, 2012]

And, of course, much of this conventional wisdom does not hold up to scrutiny. Most of the swing states Romney lost had very small Hispanic fractions: 3% in Ohio, 5% in Virginia, 4% in Wisconsin, 6% in Pennsylvania, 3% in Michigan, and 2% in Iowa. The idea that there is large enough constituency of pro-amnesty, but otherwise conservative Latinos to swing the election in these states is absurd. In the swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa, even if the entire Hispanic population had voted for Romney, he still would have lost.

Thus far, I have not seen any exit polls that show results by race and income. So, because minorities tend to be disproportionately lower income, it's hard to look at votes by income as a proxy for the white working class—except in highly white states.

There, it is clear that Romney did not do particularly well among working class voters. In Iowa (93% white electorate) he won 54% of voters making over 100,000 dollars a year and only 38% of voters making under 50,000 dollars. In Wisconsin (86% white electorate), he won 59% of voters making over 100,000 dollars a year and only 39% of those making under 50,000.

It's a pretty good bet that Romney's weakness among white working class voters cost him these states, as well as Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

This is in part due to the fact that these voters simply do not support economic libertarianism, the fact that Romney is a rich guy who made his money in private equity, and also because Romney failed to use National Question issues like immigration, Official English and Affirmative Action to appeal to their patriotism and sense of identity.

And even in states with large Hispanic populations, there is good evidence that patriotic immigration reform did not doom Romney. In Nevada, where Hispanics made up 19% of the electorate, Romney also did terribly among white voters, winning them by only 13% in contrast to his 20% nationwide average. And it is also worth noting that Senator Dean Heller (A+ Numbers USA grade) won reelection in Nevada, carrying the white vote by 19%—and also outperforming Romney among Hispanics. 

That being said a few things did not go as I expected.

The Hispanic vote at 10% is much larger than it was in the past. And, accordingly, the white vote was a bit smaller than I expected at 72%. (This was also due to higher black turnout at 13%). That still means the Hispanic vote is less than 14% of the white vote—or to put it another way, increasing the white vote share by one perfect is more important than increasing the Hispanic share by 7%.

Moreover, although the Hispanic vote usually trends with the white vote, in this election it did not. Romney increased the GOP victory margin with whites by 8 points—from 12% in 2008 to 20% in 2012. But Obama increased his margin among Hispanics by just as much—up to 36% in 2008 to 44% in 2012. (Also of note: Asians voted even more for the Democrats than Hispanics, with Obama winning among the group 73% to 26 %.)[VDARE.com note: All figures are from CNN’s Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center  page. We’ve linked to individual state results, but to see the demographic breakdown, yo’ll have to click on the Exit Poll tab, and find “Vote by Race”.]

In Florida, the Latino size of the electorate increased from 14% to 17%, and Obama's margin of victory among Hispanics also increased from 15% to 21%. This more than covers Obama's narrow victory of less than 50,000 votes.

Of course this probably has a great deal to do with the fact that Florida’s Hispanic community has become less Cuban and also that younger Cubans are less concerned with Fidel Castro. We should count our blessings that the election was not decided by Florida, or the propaganda about the Hispanic vote would never cease.

Note that Romney's alleged hardline on immigration was not the reason he did so poorly among Hispanics. As the Washington Post correctly noted the day before the election, Obama's popularity among Hispanics is largely rooted in his nomination of Sonia Sotomayor and the passage of the Affordable Care Act. [Why Romney is losing Latinos by a historic margin,  By Jamelle Bouie, November 5, 2012]But for some reason I have yet to hear any GOP hacks say that the party needs to abandon opposition to Obamacare or judicial activism to appeal to Hispanics.

Nonetheless, it is clear that the Hispanic population is becoming more rooted to the Democratic Party, and probably more supportive of amnesty and mass immigration than they were in the past. This is most likely because of the increasing share of Hispanics who have illegal friends and family members, the fact that second and third generation Hispanics are assimilating downward, and the fact that chain migration and the illegals who get adjustment of status are making the group even less educated and lower income.

This is not terribly surprising. We know that the Hispanic share of the electorate will continue to increase and white share will continue to decrease, absent changes to our immigration policies. However, the faster this change occurs, the harder it will be to elect politicians who will stop immigration.

Note well: I am not making any sort of dire prediction that, because of demographics, this was the last time the GOP could win a national election.

However, it is going to become more and more difficult in each election cycle. Hopefully, we will begin to elect politicians who understand this reality.
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http://www.vdare.com/articles/romney-the-white-working-class-and-the-limits-of-economism

I can't believe I'm losing to this guy.” This Presidential election has the Republican Party feeling like Michael Dukakis contemplating George H.W. Bush in the famous Saturday Night Live skit.

Yes, all the recent polls are within the margin of error and anything could happen. And, yes, some pundits have bravely predicted a Mitt Romney victory—with Michael Barone [Going out on a limb: Romney beats Obama, handily] perhaps the most surprising, no doubt because he has finally counted up America’s still-dominant white voting bloc.

But the GOP presidential contender should not be in this mess. Take the forecasting model from the University of Colorado. In contrast to many other polls, it stresses state-level economic data. It has accurately predicted the winner of every Presidential election since it was first developed in 1980. It projects over 330 electoral votes for the Republican challenger.

There's also unemployment. Only Franklin D. Roosevelt was able to be re-elected with unemployment this high. Republicans have repeatedly argued that the jobs crisis alone should guarantee Obama's defeat.

Finally, it's a truism of that if an incumbent cannot crack a 50% favorable rating in the polls close to an election, he’s sunk. In poll after poll, even in the battleground states, Obama fails to obtain a favorable majority.

What is actually happening: the decades’ long effort to elect a new people is finally coming to fruition. The old rules no longer apply. Barack Obama can afford to lose a few swing states, whereas Romney has no room for error. Even his Southern flank is weak, with states like Florida and Virginia still very much in play. Even a full-scale surrender on immigration issues won't save the GOP. Hispanics, especially recent immigrants, are simply more liberal.

Note also that the Democrats practice their own form of “inreach” to their white supporters, especially university students and single white women. Leftist social issues like gay marriage and abortion may not be winners nationwide, but Obama's strong stands motivate the high-income, highly-informed, and highly-motivated white liberals in the major cities. Even the Democrats' supposed white working class hero Joe Biden is saying “transsexual rights” (???!!) is now the “civil rights issue of our time.” This alliance between a minority of socially liberal whites and overwhelmingly Leftist ethnic minorities makes the electoral math for Republicans increasingly difficult.

In contrast, Romney's vision is “economism”—trying to defeat the president solely with wonkery about taxes and unemployment (but not of course mentioning an anti-unemployment immigration moratorium). Romney is not even running the implicit white campaign of George W. Bush in 2004, when the war rallied patriotic white voters—he is  running an implicit implicit white campaign. He could have forced Obama onto the defensive on a host of issues, including (of course) immigration, anti-white racial preferences, trade, and social concerns. But he has been cautious, characteristically, to the point of cowardice. The fact that he is still winning a solid majority of the white vote shows the deep disgust that average Americans have with the Obama regime.

Unfortunately, the new post-America has reached the point where who is the better economic manager may no longer matter.

Take Nevada. While ostensibly a swing state, it is all but guaranteed to go Democratic despite having the worst economy in the country. The housing crisis, fueled by mass immigration and Bush's mortgage Hispandering, has devastated the state. Unemployment is well over 11 percent, and has actually increased considerably from when Barack Obama took office.

But the state's high concentration of Hispanics combined with blacks means that there is a large percentage of the population simply beyond economic appeals. In fact, Hispanic voters in Nevada may even flip a Senate seat to the Democrats, despite the fact that their candidate is under investigation for corruption and wasn't even expected to be competitive.

A story from Illinois's 2nd Congressional District illustrates what is happening to the country as a whole. Incumbent Jesse Jackson Jr. has been on medical leave since June for a variety of “health issues.” This hasn't stopped him from hitting the bars with his friends, although he hasn't held a single campaign event or public appearance. His wife is sticking by his side, despite his past adultery (with a blonde bikini model) which is now public knowledge. This might have something to do with the several thousand dollars a month his campaign pays her “consulting firm.” Jackson is also the subject of an ongoing federal probe into his questionable finances.

But there is absolutely no chance that Republicans can make this race even close. Jackson has an absolute majority in the polls in a three-way race, despite doing no campaigning.

This might have something to do with the fact that Republican candidate Brian Woodworth, a white lawyer trying to represent a majority black, urban county, wants to win voters by telling them “Government needs to get off the backs of businesses.” Even more exciting, he is challenging not just the laws of political reality, but mathematics itself by claiming, “I am not looking to protect the “1%”; I will be working to provide more opportunity for every American to become part of the “1%.”

This economism doesn't seem to be doing much good, even though unemployment in both Illinois and Chicago is worse than in the country as a whole.

Black and Hispanic identity politics make increasingly areas of the country essentially immune to elections. As in South Africa's one-party state, it doesn't matter what the economy is doing or what policies are pursued – after the nominations, everyone knows who is going to win the election. Regardless of how bad unemployment is in Stockton, California or Detroit, Michigan, Republicans are not going to win on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and pious platitudes about a Constitution written by hated white males.

In swing districts and swing counties, minority voters can tip the balance to a liberal minority, with each new immigrant or refugee expressing their tribal loyalties at the ballot box essentially disenfranchising Americans trying to make an informed choice.

Whether Romney wins or loses, the Republican Party has to make a fateful choice if it isn't to become extinct. The Democrats have written off the white working class. It has nothing to offer those left behind by mass immigration, outsourcing, racial preferences, and continuous cultural warfare. The GOP could gain a new lease on life and increase their share of white vote with a populist appeal to American workers. It potentially could form a new alliance to save not just the Party, but the country.

But Romney/ Ryan offered the white working class nothing. And, unfortunately, Conservatism Inc. is already at work condemning “New Economic Nationalism” and invoking the  specter of Patrick J. Buchanan. Conservatism Inc., and its neoconservative controllers, would rather lose than associate with him. Conservative Inc.’s reigning ideology and the aspirations of the Republican Party to win national elections are, ultimately, irreconcilable.

On its current course, the Republican Party will probably continue its doomed effort to pursue minority voters, urged on by self-interested consultants, brain-dead movement “intellectuals,” and liberals eager to see it commit suicide.

But the opinion polls from Ohio carry a message that goes beyond the election and the fate of the man from Bain Capital.

For the white working class and the Republican Party, it is "Join—or Die".

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... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:29pm:
Good article.  I especially enjoyed the complete absence of any explanation as to what made it 'silly'. 


"Penalising wealth creation". In a country with a 4 trillion dollar deficit and, after Hong Kong and Singapore, the lowest income taxes for the obscenely wealthy in the developed world.

The US isn’t going down the toilet because it doesn’t have the talent. It’s doing so under the combined weight of its fat old boys who want business as usual in a changing world: the petrol companies, the auto industry, agribusiness, the drug companies, the arms manufacturers, the financiers.

And helping them all are the lobbyists, campaign funds, the think tanks and writers like the above. A vast industry of persuasion, all bought, sold and paid for, but designed to look spontaneous. Fox News. The Tea Party. The climate denialist fossil fuelers, flat-earthers and free traders - a propaganda network so unsubtle it works.

People don’t want the truth, they want the Circus Maximus. The Ministry of Truth doesn’t need a megaphone in every workplace when it has Alan and Today Tonight. Why have love when you can have fear and hate?

The old Europe this article pours scorn on is Donald Rumsfeld’s line. It’s the Europe with its hand on the IMF, the Europe that in France and Germany, is leading the way in high quality exports, the Europe that, now united in a common market, doesn’t need US exports anymore.

And this is what the writer is really getting at: US decline and Obama’s refusal to play the old game of tax cuts for the rich and a new war to stimulate the economy.

The IMF predicts that in 4 years time, China’s GDP will overtake the US. Obama will therefore see midnight on his shift.

Expect to see many more articles like this one in the next 4 years, but know exactly what they’re about: the old boys getting sand kicked in their faces and having no one to come to the rescue.
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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