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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: GST Key To Tax Reform, Says Nick Greiner. Reply #15 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm Quote: What about the never ever Carbon Tax party?. You mean the ALP?
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Reply #16 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:05pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:06am:

Several Interesting factors:

The states have been made dependant on a tax which is garanteed to deliver less when they need more.

The West Whinging and Whining about their share, they never held that view for all the decades they were heavily subsidised by the eastern states.

Very true. For most of the time since Federation, WA was heavily subsidised by the rest of the country. And if the mining boom really ended (not the govts version of it!) they would need subsidy again. Its time for WA to pay into the COUNTRY'S bank account. At last count, they still owe the rest of us.

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Reply #17 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:02am:

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What about you Mr Abbott, will you rule out an increase in the rate of the GST????. Huh

he already has. Repeatedly.

but you prefer the word of the 'there wil be no carbon tax' party.

he already has.

Yes he already voted to increase the GST.

between 1998 and 2000 he voted to take it from 0% to 10%.

Since you want to play the pedantry game I will join you.

There never was a 0% GST rate therefore he didnt INCREASE it. He IMPLEMENTED it.

Thats how you pla the pedantry game and in you case, how you lose.

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Reply #18 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:10pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:59am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:52am:

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Finance Minister Penny Wong said yesterday the government's opposition to increasing the GST was well known. "The Treasurer has made very clear he's ruled out changes to the base or the rate," she told the conference.

Why haven't Labor rolled the GST back as promised if they are so against it? Sad

Another broken promise from the pathological LieBor party....... Cheesy

Greiner is right. If you Pinkos want free education and universal healthcare increasing the GST would be the logical thing to do.

Everybody spends so everybody pays even the black economy pays GST.

Remove all the exemptions and increase the GST to 15% just like DR Hewson planned. Pump the extra money into hospitals and schools and infrastructure.

If Hewson's policy was implemented in 1993 hospitals & schools wouldn't be up schitt creek and we just might still have a manufacturing industry.

Stupid Lefties shot themselves in the foot with that one didn't you. Blame the Grim Reaper for selling his soul for "the sweetest victory of all".... Angry

Nick Greiner for PM.........

Keating came up with a GST well before Howard who opposed it when he was in opposition Grin

PS..I agree..Nick Greiner for PM

And now for the facts...

Keating proposed a GST at a tax summit but was rejected by cabinet and his own party.

Howard had been in favour of a GST for a very long time as part of his 1983 tax reform suggestions (which he didnt get the chance to implement)

In the meantime, Keating OPPOSED his own preferred option sfor short-term political gain while Howard - the principalled PM - implemented it,

Howard for PM... AGAIN!

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Reply #19 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:55pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:02am:

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What about you Mr Abbott, will you rule out an increase in the rate of the GST????. Huh

he already has. Repeatedly.

but you prefer the word of the 'there wil be no carbon tax' party.

he already has.

Yes he already voted to increase the GST.

between 1998 and 2000 he voted to take it from 0% to 10%.

Since you want to play the pedantry game I will join you.

There never was a 0% GST rate therefore he didnt INCREASE it. He IMPLEMENTED it.

Thats how you pla the pedantry game and in you case, how you lose.

Express it however you like - the fact is he took it from 0% to 10%.

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Reply #20 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:00pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:10pm:

And now for the facts...

Keating proposed a GST at a tax summit but was rejected by cabinet and his own party.

Howard had been in favour of a GST for a very long time as part of his 1983 tax reform suggestions (which he didnt get the chance to implement)

In the meantime, Keating OPPOSED his own preferred option sfor short-term political gain while Howard - the principalled PM - implemented it,

Howard for PM... AGAIN!

Howard had been in favour of a GST for a very long time as part of his 1983 tax reform suggestions (which he didnt get the chance to implement)

His support actually went back to the seventies.

Keating proposed a GST at a tax summit but was rejected by cabinet and his own party.

In the end Keating backed out himself - the problem was that they could not find a fair implimentation path.

In the meantime, Keating OPPOSED his own preferred option sfor short-term political gain while Howard - the principalled PM - implemented it,

You were going OK till this point where you departed from fact. Labor opposed this implimentation for the same reason that they shot their own proposal down. the implimentation was faulty.

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Reply #21 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 4:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:55pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:02am:

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What about you Mr Abbott, will you rule out an increase in the rate of the GST????. Huh

he already has. Repeatedly.

but you prefer the word of the 'there wil be no carbon tax' party.

he already has.

Yes he already voted to increase the GST.

between 1998 and 2000 he voted to take it from 0% to 10%.

Since you want to play the pedantry game I will join you.

There never was a 0% GST rate therefore he didnt INCREASE it. He IMPLEMENTED it.

Thats how you pla the pedantry game and in you case, how you lose.

Express it however you like - the fact is he took it from 0% to 10%.

not by even the most liberal interpretation of the word can you 'increase' something that formerly didnt exist. Like I said, I can play the pedantic game all you like. But apparently you arent quite aware of the rules or even what 'increase' means.

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Reply #22 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 9:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 9:11am:

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He said state governments had no choice but to cut
public servants if they wanted to make savings,
because that is where 80 per cent of their spending was.

There are too many public servants & my idea of reducing their wages is correct.They can always get real jobs in private industry if they don't like a pay cut.

Tax problem solved overnight by Bobby!

Very true you can run with Nick Griener. The public sector needs to mirror the private. It cannot be immune from a declining economy where private sector workers are losing thier jobs or where the income of business is declining (AKA taking a pay cut) due to a drop in business.

Good - I have one convert.

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