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Reply #45 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:17pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

They dont know it is criminal matter until the PM answers the questions.

Well then it's up to the police and prosecuters to find out if there is a criminal matter and to press charges. But the PM has the right to a presumption of innocence. My point exactly - thank you for agreeing!

Why. Is it a criminal matter? Thats news.

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Reply #46 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:19pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

They dont know it is criminal matter until the PM answers the questions.

Well then it's up to the police and prosecuters to find out if there is a criminal matter and to press charges. But the PM has the right to a presumption of innocence. My point exactly - thank you for agreeing!

Why. Is it a criminal matter? Thats news.

The actual AWU scandal? Last I checked fraud was a criminal matter. And if Gillard knowingly participated in it, and the police/prosecuters have evidence to that effect then by all means ask the questions and by all means press charges. Not up to Bishop though. Last I checked she was just an accused plagiarist opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman without a clue in the world of what her job entails. It's actually kind of interesting that a person with the experience of being a minister in a government still hasn't got a clue on how to do their job after what, 9 years?

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Reply #47 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22pm

What about Gillard witnessing a signature on a power of attorney when it was signe din WA but Gillard was in Vic, she didn't witness it being signed??

whats your defence of that, its been proven by those who signed it that Gillard was not present???
she was 3000Km away???

Is that the actions of a partner in a law firm, or again is she just young and naive??

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Reply #48 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

They dont know it is criminal matter until the PM answers the questions.

Well then it's up to the police and prosecuters to find out if there is a criminal matter and to press charges. But the PM has the right to a presumption of innocence. My point exactly - thank you for agreeing!

Why. Is it a criminal matter? Thats news.

The actual AWU scandal? Last I checked fraud was a criminal matter. And if Gillard knowingly participated in it, and the police/prosecuters have evidence to that effect then by all means ask the questions and by all means press charges. Not up to Bishop though. Last I checked she was just an accused plagiarist opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman without a clue in the world of what her job entails. It's actually kind of interesting that a person with the experience of being a minister in a government still hasn't got a clue on how to do their job after what, 9 years?

No, the liberals are asking the PM about her answers in relation to the press conference the PM held in the capacity of PM. They state the PM lied in the act of being PM in relation to answers given to the public.

There are some questions never asked and the PM does not answer them but they would be the questions you are talking about.

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Reply #49 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:25pm

woof woof wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22pm:

What about Gillard witnessing a signature on a power of attorney when it was signe din WA but Gillard was in Vic, she didn't witness it being signed??

whats your defence of that, its been proven by those who signed it that Gillard was not present???
she was 3000Km away???

Is that the actions of a partner in a law firm, or again is she just young and naive??

Oh sigh once again lynchy, if there is accusation of a crime then let the police handle it. You can do all the theories you want but the fact remains that Gillard has provided public statements, without even a need to do so, and if these statements were inaccurate and there is evidence to suggest her involvement in the scandal then the police should press charges. It's as simple as that. A person is charged with criminal activity based on evidence. Not based on "What about this though! What about that though?"

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Reply #50 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

They dont know it is criminal matter until the PM answers the questions.

Well then it's up to the police and prosecuters to find out if there is a criminal matter and to press charges. But the PM has the right to a presumption of innocence. My point exactly - thank you for agreeing!

Why. Is it a criminal matter? Thats news.

The actual AWU scandal? Last I checked fraud was a criminal matter. And if Gillard knowingly participated in it, and the police/prosecuters have evidence to that effect then by all means ask the questions and by all means press charges. Not up to Bishop though. Last I checked she was just an accused plagiarist opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman without a clue in the world of what her job entails. It's actually kind of interesting that a person with the experience of being a minister in a government still hasn't got a clue on how to do their job after what, 9 years?

No, the liberals are asking the PM about her answers in relation to the press conference the PM held in the capacity of PM. They state the PM lied in the act of being PM in relation to answers given to the public.

There are some questions never asked and the PM does not answer them but they would be the questions you are talking about.

Nope Gillard chose to answer the questions in the capacity of a person standing accused of something. She didn't have to. But she chose to. And it's a criminal matter that the police need to handle. Not bishop.

keep trying.

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Reply #51 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:25pm:

woof woof wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22pm:

What about Gillard witnessing a signature on a power of attorney when it was signe din WA but Gillard was in Vic, she didn't witness it being signed??

whats your defence of that, its been proven by those who signed it that Gillard was not present???
she was 3000Km away???

Is that the actions of a partner in a law firm, or again is she just young and naive??

Oh sigh once again lynchy, if there is accusation of a crime then let the police handle it. You can do all the theories you want but the fact remains that Gillard has provided public statements, without even a need to do so, and if these statements were inaccurate and there is evidence to suggest her involvement in the scandal then the police should press charges. It's as simple as that. A person is charged with criminal activity based on evidence. Not based on "What about this though! What about that though?"

To which the PM lied to the public in stark contrast to actual documentation and dates. To which the opposition has a duty to know if the PM lied to the public.

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Reply #52 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:28pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:25pm:

woof woof wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22pm:

What about Gillard witnessing a signature on a power of attorney when it was signe din WA but Gillard was in Vic, she didn't witness it being signed??

whats your defence of that, its been proven by those who signed it that Gillard was not present???
she was 3000Km away???

Is that the actions of a partner in a law firm, or again is she just young and naive??

Oh sigh once again lynchy, if there is accusation of a crime then let the police handle it. You can do all the theories you want but the fact remains that Gillard has provided public statements, without even a need to do so, and if these statements were inaccurate and there is evidence to suggest her involvement in the scandal then the police should press charges. It's as simple as that. A person is charged with criminal activity based on evidence. Not based on "What about this though! What about that though?"

To which the PM lied to the public in stark contrast to actual documentation and dates. To which the opposition has a duty to know if the PM lied to the public.

Round and round in circles we go I see. The opposition has a duty to know if the PM and the government are not being accurate or truthful on policy or national interest.

And if there is evidence that Gillard was lying about her involvement in this criminal activity then the police need to act on it. Not bishop.

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Reply #54 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:29pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:28pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:25pm:

woof woof wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22pm:

What about Gillard witnessing a signature on a power of attorney when it was signe din WA but Gillard was in Vic, she didn't witness it being signed??

whats your defence of that, its been proven by those who signed it that Gillard was not present???
she was 3000Km away???

Is that the actions of a partner in a law firm, or again is she just young and naive??

Oh sigh once again lynchy, if there is accusation of a crime then let the police handle it. You can do all the theories you want but the fact remains that Gillard has provided public statements, without even a need to do so, and if these statements were inaccurate and there is evidence to suggest her involvement in the scandal then the police should press charges. It's as simple as that. A person is charged with criminal activity based on evidence. Not based on "What about this though! What about that though?"

To which the PM lied to the public in stark contrast to actual documentation and dates. To which the opposition has a duty to know if the PM lied to the public.

Round and round in circles we go I see. The opposition has a duty to know if the PM and the government are not being accurate or truthful on policy or national interest.

It is always in the national interest to know if your PM is lying to the public.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: If your partner suddenly starts............ Reply #55 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:29pm Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:28pm: Goodo........... Let's see all this documentation.....right here, and now. Quote: Is that what was on the documentation that gillard signed and is available for all to see. Go for it
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: If your partner suddenly starts............ Reply #56 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm [quote author=352B25212F2A2A460 link=1351812382/54#54 date=1351852151] It is always in the national interest to know if your PM is lying to the public.[/quote] yep lying on policy matters. Agreed. And in the capacity of the PM office.
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Reply #57 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:28pm:

Goodo...........

Let's see all this documentation.....right here, and now.

Quote:

Is that what was on the documentation that gillard signed and is available for all to see.

Go for it

I believe he was asking you. It seems you don't really understand things very easily Sad

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Reply #58 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:29pm:

It is always in the national interest to know if your PM is lying to the public.

yep lying on policy matters. Agreed.

No, just a PM lying to the public is enough for it to be in the national interest.

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Reply #59 - Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:31pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:29pm:

It is always in the national interest to know if your PM is lying to the public.

yep lying on policy matters. Agreed.

No, just a PM lying to the public is enough for it to be in the national interest.

on policy matters, yes. In the capacity as PM on dealings as PM, yes.

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