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Question: Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #45 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:28am
 
olde.sault wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies

When looking at the Liberals she is right.

Howard was miles in front of anyone else, world class champion in the art.

Even Tnoy is much more profuse with the skill.


Exactly what had Howard lied about and when had Abbott lied?

About what - whom?

Don't just make bald statements, tell when any lies were told by the nominated.

Nothing hidden about JuLiar's, you know! The world echoes with her lies and laughs at dumb Australians who voted for her.


Well one of the biggest was that there would be no GST

Also he was one of the axis of evil saying there were WMDs in iraq when he knew full well there werent.

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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #46 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:29am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:16am:
THE BALI BOMBINGS REVISITED - AGAIN
As the anniversary approaches it's worth reminding ourselves of what this was really all about. I first posted this in April 2009.It's about how the Howard government attempted to get Australians on board for war against Iraq.
Some ten days ago a former Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) officer, James Sievers, appeared in a Canberra, Australia, court to answer charges that he had copied secret intelligence documents and had them posted to ‘The Australian’ newspaper. The documents were about warnings during the period leading up to the 12 October 2002 Bali bombings that terrorists in Indonesia were planning attacks on ‘sin spots’.

The bombings killed 202 people including 88 Australians. At the time, Brian Deegan, the father of one of the Australian victims, a lawyer and magistrate in Adelaide, Australia, insisted that the then Australian Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, knew of the terrorist threat but had failed to warn Australian tourists. Downer denied that he had received any warning about threats to Bali. Later, Downer’s spokesman chose his words carefully saying there had been no specific warning about the Bali attacks. An inquiry by Australian Inspector-General of Security and Intelligence Bill Blick white-washed accusations against the Howard government that there had been clear warnings of an impending attack and that Downer had failed to provide adequate warning.

The reality was that Downer had been briefed personally on 18 and 19 June 2002 by officers from Australia’s Office of National Assessments (ONA) and was told specifically that Bali and Singapore were ‘attractive targets for the al-Qaeda linked Jamaah Islamiah terrorist network’ and just two weeks prior to the bombing was warned by US intelligence services that there was a threat specifically to Bali. There was even specific travel warnings posted by US authorities that were not repeated on Downer’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) travel warning website.

The evidence is clear: Downer and Australian Prime Minister John Howard were very much aware of the imminent threat to foreign tourist hotspots in Bali prior to the bombings but failed to provide any warning. The question that remains to be answered is simple; why did they not tell Australian tourists in Bali of the threat and danger of being there?

Prior to the Bali bombings there had been a mounting popular movement in Australia, as well as around the world, against Howard taking Australia to war against Iraq. Just the weekend before the Bali bombings there had been a series of anti-war marches and demonstrations across Australia as there had been all over the world. There had even been a protest at the US spy site in out-back Australia at Pine Gap. Howard, despite his denials, had already wholeheartedly committed Australia to Bush’s war against Iraq and was desperate to have some event to turn tide of dissent against him; the Bali bombings would have been, at least he might have hoped, just such an event. As it turned out, the Bali bombings, rather than galvanise the people of Australia to support Howard’s march to war, had the opposite effect; the Australian people saw the Bali bombings more as some kind of retribution for blindly following the US than a call to join Bush’s fight against Iraq.

At the time, Howard responded by saying that the Bali bombings was in response to Australia’s intervention in East Timor adding that it couldn’t have been because of Australia’s commitment to the US lead-up to the war against Iraq because, so he said, at that time he’d not yet made such a commitment. Of course, all Australians – and, indeed, the Bali bombers – knew that he had.


Full article here.....
http://lataan.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/the-bali-bombings-revisited-again.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-143548/Straw-faces-row-Bali-bomb-U-turn....


I have said it many times on here..I was in Saigon on the night of the Bali bombings and the Americans I was travelling with were warned by their embassy that a terrorist attack on westerners was expected in SEAsia on the night of the Bali bombings so all westerners should avoid pubs and clubs.
I had no such warning and ive always wondered why the Howard govt kept it a secret.
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #47 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am
 
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.
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Reply #48 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.


Only a crazy person would use any pollie as a role model..you would get better life lessons and morals from a ten dollar truck stop hooker
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #49 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:41am
 
Prevailing wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 10:03am:
The Gillard Government is a massive threat to world peace and regional stability with their aggression and militarism against the peace loving people of the region...
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Perhaps 2 mogadons & an hour resting on the couch?
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #50 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:41am
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.


Only a crazy person would use any pollie as a role model..you would get better life lessons and morals from a ten dollar truck stop hooker



So a a ten dollar truck stop hooker is more trustworthy than JuLiar Gillard?

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Reply #51 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:44am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:41am:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.


Only a crazy person would use any pollie as a role model..you would get better life lessons and morals from a ten dollar truck stop hooker



So a a ten dollar truck stop hooker is more trustworthy than JuLiar Gillard?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


More trustworthy than any pollie..including Julia and Tony.
People with morals and values dont even make it to pre selection let alone get into parliament
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #52 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:46am
 
I don't know how any politician can call themselves the honourable whoever......
They are all professional liars.
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #53 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:46am
 
olde.sault wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies

When looking at the Liberals she is right.

Howard was miles in front of anyone else, world class champion in the art.

Even Tnoy is much more profuse with the skill.


Exactly what had Howard lied about and when had Abbott lied?

About what - whom?

Don't just make bald statements, tell when any lies were told by the nominated.

Nothing hidden about JuLiar's, you know! The world echoes with her lies and laughs at dumb Australians who voted for her.


Exactly what had Howard lied about and when had Abbott lied?

You are kidding right?

Everything and when he opens his mouth (self admitted).

Howard came into the PM ship on the back of two commitments never to introduce a GST and the debt truck - foreign debt was going to destroy Australia and his first priority would be to fix it.

He introduced a GST and foreigh debt only ever got worse during his terms of government.

He told us that he was across the waterfront dispute having at least weekly updates that was till a judge found a case to answer on charges of conspiracy - then he suddenly knew nothing

He told us that children were thrown overboard -they were not and he knew it.

He told us that interest rates would always be lower under a coalition government - "who do you trust to keep interest rates low" - they went up ten times and interest rates are not out of control now.

He really knew nothing about AWB , ABU Ghraib prison or rendition and torture of Australians or the involvement by Australians in torture and he didn't bail out his brothers bankrupt company - ho ho ho sure he didn't.

He promised to reduce health premiums - in office he then approved about 20% of increases.

He committed to keeping UNI degrees below $100,000 about 20 went above his line.

He promised to keep education loans to be no interest loans - he indexed the loan to CPI and added a 20% fee.

The GST was promised to not increase the cost of petrol - it went up by 10.4%

"There'll be no more than a 1.9% rise in ordinary beer." - John Howard  - it went up by 8%

Meeting ethanol industry before favourable legislation:

John Howard: "Speaking for myself, I did not personally have any discussions, from recollection, with any of them." - John Howard  - He had met with Dick Honan, his company makes 87 per cent of our ethanol,

20 Feb "Well, we're certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding for labour market programs".John Howard

21 Aug "Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money on labour market programs". - John Howard

"The Australian Government knows that Iraq still has chemical and biological weapons and that Iraq wants to develop nuclear weapons." - John Howard

Sorry John but not true

"Our plans . . . will involve not replacing . . . up to 2,500 positions over the first term of a Coalition Government-a process of natural attrition with no forced redundances." - Coalition Public Administration policy document Election Campaign February 1996

In the first term of the Howard Government, 32,400 jobs were lost. - Budget Papers, 1997-1999
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Reply #54 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.


Why women? Why not people? Are you assuming no men listen to her @ all? Just because she is female?

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Reply #55 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:52am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I just started a poll:

Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?


In my humble opinon:
JuLiar Gillard has set a bad example to all the young women of Australia -
if you are a first rate professional liar you too can gain the highest
office in the land - Prime Minister.


Why women? Why not people? Are you assuming no men listen to her @ all?

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Hi Borg,
I was just thinking of JuLiar as a role model for other women.
You too can be PM if you can tell straight faced lies.
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Reply #56 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:54am
 
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/10/1065676164586.html

Former Australian intelligence officer faces jail over Bali bombing documents


A former Australian intelligence official and his co-tenant face up to two years jail after being convicted last month of leaking classified documents relating to the October 2002 terrorist bomb blasts on the Indonesian resort island of Bali.

According to the documents, US intelligence agencies told their Australian counterparts that Jemaah Islamiah (JI) spiritual leader Abu Bakar Bashir headed a group called Majeklis Mujahedden Indonesia that was preparing large-scale bombings.

Right up until the bombing, the Howard government insisted it was safe to visit Bali, despite receiving explicit warnings from US intelligence agencies, as well as its own Office of National Assessments (ONA), which had identified Bali as a potential terrorist target at least three times, including in a briefing to then Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.

ASIO itself advised Qantas, the main airline servicing Bali from Australia, that given the JI presence in Indonesia, Bali could not be “considered exempt from attack”. On the basis of reports by ASIO and the Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO), the Defence Security Agency issued a “high” threat assessment to all military personnel traveling to Indonesia. As a result of these warnings, Qantas crew members and diplomats were instructed to avoid well-known hotels, bars and nightclubs in Bali.

When the documents were published, they re-ignited public anger over the failure of the Howard government and the intelligence agencies to alert travellers and try to prevent the bombings. In the days after the atrocity, then Prime Minister Howard initially denied receiving any prior warning of the likelihood of such an attack. But when the Washington Post reported that the CIA had identified threats to attack a tourist site in Indonesia, mentioning Bali, Howard was forced to change his story on the floor of parliament, while still claiming that the CIA’s information was only of a “general” character.

The leaked documents also threw into doubt the findings of an inquiry that Howard was hastily forced to organise, by the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), as well as a subsequent report by a Senate committee—both of which denied that the government and the agencies had received any specific warnings about attacks being prepared in Bali.

In an attempt to deflect attention from the serious questions raised by the classified documents about his own government’s role, the Howard government instigated a police operation to find the “leakers”. Australian Federal Police raided the Australian’s offices and eventually produced evidence that O’Ryan’s credit card had been used to purchase the post office envelope that contained the damning documents.

During the second trial, O’Ryan admitted sending the material, saying he was motivated by anger over the government’s failure to act on the Bali warnings. The Labor government, however, was just as determined as Howard to secure convictions. Crown prosecutor Stephen Hall SC told the jury to disregard any thoughts about whether there was a “noble reason” for the documents being leaked. Sievers was also convicted, although both men denied that he was involved and there was no direct evidence of any such involvement.

Full story here.....
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/may2009/bali-m05.shtml

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Reply #57 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
So Howard was a liar too?

Wow - what PM hasn't lied?

Bob Hawke,
" By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty "
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Reply #58 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:57am:
So Howard was a liar too?

Wow - what PM hasn't lied?

Bob Hawke,
" By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty "


I agree Bobby.....However some lies can lead to people being blown apart or lead to nations being sucked into illegal wars based on deceit.....The ALP are pathetic for not pursuing these issues further.....The Tories in the UK have no problem going after the Blair Governments deceit over Iraq and the Bali Bombings!!!

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Reply #59 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 12:06pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 11:57am:
So Howard was a liar too?

Wow - what PM hasn't lied?

Bob Hawke,
" By 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty "


I agree Bobby.....However some lies can lead to people being blown apart or lead to nations being sucked into illegal wars based on deceit.....The ALP are pathetic for not pursuing these issues further.....The Tories in the UK have no problem going after the Blair Governments deceit over Iraq and the Bali Bombings!!!

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Agreed but neither Blair nor Howard will be looking out between bars.
They have got away scott free.
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