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Question: Has Gillard set a bad example to young women for lying?
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Reply #15 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:47am
 
Maqqa wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 8:58pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 8:32pm:
Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies

When looking at the Liberals she is right.

Howard was miles in front of anyone else, world class champion in the art.

Even Tnoy is much more profuse with the skill.



What's this got to dow with Howard?

She's facing accusations from

(1) The Australian voters about the carbon tax
(2) McKew about backstabbing Rudd
(3) McClelland about her planning the backstabbing
(4) Abbott giving proof of misogyny (general hatred of women)



What's this got to dow with Howard?

If you want to infer that she is the biggest liar I would think that to bring up the all time champion is very relevant.

(1) The Australian voters about the carbon tax

The Liberal Party sections of the Media. Most of the people are working it out.

(4) Abbott giving proof of misogyny (general hatred of women)

The word is stretching the truth or in error but he certainly has a very poor record on woman’s issues and with women in general. I don't think he hates women, particularly the ones willing to stay in the kitchen.
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Reply #16 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:54am
 
On the contrary dna, I don't think Abbott's opinion of women is any different to mine.

There are a lot of good, hard working intelligent women out there.

It is a shame Australia's first woman PM has turned out to be such a disaster and led a Government which has gone from one car crash to another in its lifetime.

I happen to think the best PM Britain has ever had was a woman.

It's about the quality of the woman, not women in general.

Australia's PM has a credibility problem (Labor insiders own words), she couldn't sell a bottle of water in a desert let alone a policy, she knifed the sitting PM to gain power and she has proven to be utterly appalling at leadership.

Not exactly glowing tributes - and this has nothing to do with her being a woman. She is not a quarter of the woman Margaret Thatcher was.
What a disappointment.
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #17 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:55am
 
Maqqa wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 5:55pm:
It's interesting to see Gillard once again come out to bag those who call her a liar without offering much proof to refute the claims

Australia's biggest liar thinks she does not lie - others are lying

The biggest sexist sow in the country thinks everyone else is against her

Mind you - look at who are making the claims

McKew - former Labor MP
McClelland - current Labor MP
Rudd - whose cat just died


Q. What's the difference between Crackling & a Politician?

A. One of them no longer tells Porkies!

Btw, that applies to almost all Pollies & their SPIN jockies!

You have a nice day now sweety, ya hear.
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Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:57am
 
I don't agree PN - there are some decent politicians out there.

Australia - Brendan Nelson for example.
USA - John McCain is a good man.

You can find them if you look hard enough amongst the crap.
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Reply #19 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:59am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:54am:
On the contrary dna, I don't think Abbott's opinion of women is any different to mine.

There are a lot of good, hard working intelligent women out there.

It is a shame Australia's first woman PM has turned out to be such a disaster and led a Government which has gone from one car crash to another in its lifetime.

I happen to think the best PM Britain has ever had was a woman.

It's about the quality of the woman, not women in general.

Australia's PM has a credibility problem (Labor insiders own words), she couldn't sell a bottle of water in a desert let alone a policy, she knifed the sitting PM to gain power and she has proven to be utterly appalling at leadership.

Not exactly glowing tributes - and this has nothing to do with her being a woman. She is not a quarter of the woman Margaret Thatcher was.
What a disappointment.


On the contrary dna, I don't think Abbott's opinion of women is any different to mine.

That is all the support I need to prove the point.

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I happen to think the best PM Britain has ever had was a woman.


Many think that Britan is yet to have their first female PM.

She is not a quarter of the woman Margaret Thatcher was.

70% of men are not half the man she was either.
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Reply #20 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:03am
 
Not a fan of strong-willed, intelligent women capable of leading a country to prosperity over an entire decade dna?

Ah well, each to their own.
To me that is the essence of what we/anyone needs in charge of a country.
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Reply #21 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:04am
 
Yes a few good politicians are still out there.  One in America being Mr Obama.  Good luck and hope you get another Mr Obama.     Smiley    
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Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:04am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:54am:
On the contrary dna, I don't think Abbott's opinion of women is any different to mine.


Nope its about the same.

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Reply #23 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:05am
 
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Yes a few good politicians are still out there.  One in America being Mr Obama.  Good luck and hope you get another Mr Obama.     Smiley    


It's going to be a lot closer than people think Imcrook.
I think some of the swing states like North Carolina and Colorado may fall to Romney.
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Reply #24 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:08am
 
Yes and I think here in Australia, our federal election in 2013, will be a lot closer than what a lot of people think.   Wink
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Reply #25 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:20am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:57am:
I don't agree PN - there are some decent politicians out there.

Australia - Brendan Nelson for example.
USA - John McCain is a good man.

You can find them if you look hard enough amongst the crap.


Australia - Brendan Nelson for example

Yes it was dissapointing when he left politics.

He is another one who was put into the job of leader in bad circumstances too early in his career.

Had he stayed he would have been very good for them next time around.

So many are undermined in this way - I sometimes think that their enemies in the party do it on purpose to get them out of the way.

It was the same with Latham when he was pushed into the job one term early. He could have been very good in a different way as he was a potential reformer.

We havn't had one of those since the early 70's.
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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #26 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:22am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:57am:
I don't agree PN - there are some decent politicians out there.

Australia - Brendan Nelson for example.
USA - John McCain is a good man.

You can find them if you look hard enough amongst the crap.


My hope is, that there are, which is why I say "almost all Pollies".

That said, IF there are any "decent politicians" out there, then they have one hell of a job in front of them, to save a quickly decaying system!


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Reply #27 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:24am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Not a fan of strong-willed, intelligent women capable of leading a country to prosperity over an entire decade dna?

Ah well, each to their own.
To me that is the essence of what we/anyone needs in charge of a country.

I have no problem with Woman but she didn't have a feminine bone in her body - it may have been the cost of being a success at the time for a woman in politics but she was more like a man than most men.

While I know you like excessivly strong conservative government people who do not prefer that consider her to have been one of the worst British leaders.
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Reply #28 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 9:19am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 8:22am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 7:57am:
I don't agree PN - there are some decent politicians out there.

Australia - Brendan Nelson for example.
USA - John McCain is a good man.

You can find them if you look hard enough amongst the crap.


My hope is, that there are, which is why I say "almost all Pollies".

That said, IF there are any "decent politicians" out there, then they have one hell of a job in front of them, to save a quickly decaying system!




absolute purist decent pollies cannot rise to high office

the majority of voters are too stupid and/or lack the interest to choose a decent pollie anyway eg adel, Greens, skippy etc

the votes have always come down the choosing the "perceived" lesser of the two evils

through history it has always been easier to campaign why you shouldn't vote for the other side - stigmatising, demonising and victimising has always been the forefront. This was most evident in 2007 while some will also bring forth the Tampa affair and Hewson's GST gaffe.

I've watched many elections and gotta give it to Rudd - he was the best followed by Hawke. But both were individuals who did things their own way. Showing real personality. Abbott is very much in this mode

Now we have a new bred of maggot pollies in Gillard and Swan. Sticking by the script and offering the lowest form of politics.

Her now infamous "the real Julia" comes to mind as an example of sticking to the script.

Lowest form of politics is the false character assassination style - no not the gangnum style.

The sexist card
The misogynist card
The racist card

This current government also lacks the courage to admit it's mistakes. Offering instead to blame the Opposition for the problem because the Opposition is trying to point out the mistake to the electorate.

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Re: Aust's biggest juLIAR thinks everyone else lies
Reply #29 - Oct 27th, 2012 at 9:34am
 
Maqqa wrote on Oct 27th, 2012 at 9:19am:
I've watched many elections and gotta give it to Rudd - he was the best followed by Hawke. But both were individuals who did things their own way. Showing real personality. Abbott is very much in this mode


Abbott does perhaps do things his own way, sort of like a pit bull terrier, but he doesn't have much personality.  Turnbull was a much better choice.
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