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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #45 - Oct 30^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 5:48am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

so electricity is the sole cause of GW.. and now we have to find a way to live without it..

No - burning fossil fuels is a significant cause of global warming, and there are many other ways of producing electricity that do not involve burning fossil fuels. Ideally - we should be using more electricity - not less - to replace other fossil fuel use such as space and water heating and transportation.

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

can we assume that our green friends have already stopped using anything that remotely needs coal. to power it?..

so thats a step in the right direction..

I can't speak for everyone, but I have replaces gas heating with electricity, and by installing more insulation and PV my energy costs and carbon footprint have decrease considerably

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

I and most other sceptics..

those nasty people that believe in GW being a natural phenomenon and not a human caused catastrophy,,

You are not a "sceptic". Ignorance is not "scepticism".

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

to really get the true picture..on the one hand we get scientists saying the planet hasnt changed temperature wise in 17years.. on the other we get all sorts of graphs telling us otherwise..its very confusing...

No - no scientists have told you that "the planet hasnt changed temperature wise in 17years..". David Rose of the Daily Mail told you that.

Science tells us that the ongoing warming of the planet is clear and unambiguous

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

in the mean time of course we have to pay we are not given a voice in that regard...

You had a voice. It was at the last election. Remember? - The majority of Australians voted for parties that had policies to price carbon. Just as happened in the 2007 election.

The ignorant deniers have lost. No one is listening to you anymore. Suck it up Princess.
cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

not only that.. this CARBON TAX isnt reaping in anything..LOL>..they didnt get that right either....

No - that is because it is not a tax.

How can man-made CO2 (which accounts for about 3% of global CO2 in the atmosphere) affect global temperatures? More to the point, how can Australia's contribution (which is 1% of 1%) have any effect on global temperatures whatsoever when virtually no one else who matters is adopting a carbon dioxide tax? Carbon dioxide is essential to support all life on Earth. To call it a pollutant is ludicrous. We may as well call oxygen a pollutant too!!!

It does stuff all.

As evidenced by no warming for 16 years. That is real evidence, not modeled evidence.

Also, you might want to check out

Seven recent papers that disprove man-made global warming

1    Lindzen and Choi –The Earth has a safety release valve

2    Spencer and Braswell – Cloud feedback is net negative

3    R.S. Knox and D.H. Douglass – The missing heat is not in the ocean.

4    Miskolczi – The optical depth of the atmosphere hasn’t changed

5    McShane and Wyner24 – The Hockeystick is broken

6    McKitrick, McIntyre, Herman26 - The hot spot is really missing

7    Anagnostopoulos, G. G., Koutsoyiannis, D., Christofides, A., Efstratiadis, A. & Mamassis, N.: The only thing certain is the models are wrong.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/seven-recent-papers-that-disprove-ma...

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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #46 - Oct 30^th, 2012 at 10:11pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 5:48am:

How can man-made CO2 (which accounts for about 3% of global CO2 in the atmosphere) affect global temperatures?

By absorbing and re-emitting energy of certain wavelengths back towards the surface of the earth.

Most school children could explain it to you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 5:48am:

More to the point, how can Australia's contribution (which is 1% of 1%) have any effect on global temperatures whatsoever

By absorbing and re-emitting energy of certain wavelengths back towards the surface of the earth.

Most school children could explain it to you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Australia ranks 14th in the amount of historic emissions produced, which are impacting upon climate now
http://theconversation.edu.au/history-shows-australia-is-no-pissant-when-it-come...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 5:48am:

when virtually no one else who matters is adopting a carbon dioxide tax? Carbon dioxide is essential to support all life on Earth.

Carbon pricing of some type is currently in place or planned for the EU, parts of the USA, China, India, NZ, South Korea, South Africa etc etc.

Virtually everyone on earth IS adopting carbon pricing. Live with it.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/Factbox-Carbon-taxes-around-the-world

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 5:48am:

To call it a pollutant is ludicrous. We may as well call oxygen a pollutant too!!!

I think you need to look up what the word "pollutant" means.

Co2, when it exists in concentrations in the atmosphere which have a negative impact on the planet's climate is a pollutant.

Very few EU countries are doing this as most are struggling with financial strife (eg Greece) and are in need of bailouts, so saving the environment is so far down their list of priorities it isn't funny! Only a handful of the states in the US are doing or planning to do anything even similar to the carbon dioxide tax. China has no intention of going down this road for decades and is in fact increasing it's pollution output. Same goes for India and NZ is scaling back their carbon tax to almost nothing. More countries are refusing to adopt an economy-wide tax or are scaling back their existing carbon dioxide tax than there are countries installing one. We are well and truly in the minority - something Labor had better get used to.

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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #47 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 1:58am

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 30^th, 2012 at 9:50pm: