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The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expectation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:08pm lets not forget that the greens want $100 a tonne co2 tax on everyting.
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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #2 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expec tation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

Perhaps Shane the economist will come on later to explain the income effect and the price effect.

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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:21pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expec tation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

Perhaps Shane the economist will come on later to explain the income effect and the price effect.

No need to. There will be no carbon tax. There will be and is no need for a carbon tax under a government I lead, because climate change as we know it is pure political, nut empirical.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:29pm Gillard promised to price carbon. Abbott feeds climate change denialism. Those who take note of the science understand who will be condemned by future generations for failing to act.
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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:47pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Gillard promised to price carbon. Abbott feeds climate change denialism. Those who take note of the science understand who will be condemned by future generations for failing to act.

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11639/dn11639-2_808.jpg

Too bad that graph is full of homogenized and biased data. Otherwise it may actually look like it had a trend other than looking like an agenda piece.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:51pm What about this one, progs. So besides the met office and NASA, who else is part of this conspiracy.
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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:54pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expectation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

Once again tweedle dum is wrong on so many levels ...

- they did not say there would be no effect from the carbon tax on electricity prices, they said carbon tax would make electricity and other associated costs push up the cost of living by about $9.70. per week, and they were going to compensate most people $10 per week

- secondly, they are not saying the carbon tax hasn't pushed up electricity prices, they are saying the carbon prioce only accounts for a small percentage of the price rises .. their $9.70 estimates were actually a little more than the real affect being felt now.

-third, I'm sure this has being explained to you dozens of times, but you are to stupid to understand or you're pretending not to understand for convenience sake ... the compensation is for you, you don't pay any tax .. the electricity providers do ... you can always move to a alternate supplier who uses less polluting methods and pays less tax, thereby offering lower prices ... the polluters that pay the tax invest in more alternate energies so as to minimise their tax bills ... its already working and emission levels are down. .. there was a thread on it either earlier this week or last week ...

as for your farmer .... what a load of rubbish .... unless the farmer is in the top 250 polluters he doesn't pay carbon tax.

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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:54pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expec tation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

Perhaps Shane the economist will come on later to explain the income effect and the price effect.

Don't forget the substitution effect, because the price effect is the sum of the substitution and income effects.

Cheesy

And supposing that Gillard has compensated households adequately then might want to consider the Hicksian demand function.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #9 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:54pm Perhaps Mother Nature herself.
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bambu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1084 Gender:	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:56pm Here's the 'hilarious'; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ Gillard says 'NO' to Carbon Tax - August 2010 Not forgeting Swan's statement shown in the video.
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Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax
Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:56pm

Shane B wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:54pm:

MOTR wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Prior to actually passing the legislation enabling the carbon dioxide tax to become law, the Greens and ALP went to great lengths to explain that while the cost of electricity would rise and we'd get (some/little) compensation, the whole point of the tax was to make electricity more expensive in the expec tation that we'd use it less in order to save money and the environment all at once.

However, now that electricity prices are rising at nearly double the CPI, the ALP and Greens are going to equally great lengths to say that the tax isn't causing electricity prices to rise (or not by much at the least), in a direct contradiction to their previous position on this issue. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for someone from the Greens or ALP to stand up and tell us that this is the whole point of the carbon dioxide tax - to make electricity more expensive!

The other hilarious aspect of this tax is the compensation. Why tax us on one hand while giving compensation with the other? Kinda makes the whole deal rather pointless, eh! Also, Gillard's assertion that businesses can simply pass on the extra costs associated with the carbon dioxide tax to customers. That sounds good, but unfortunately our PM and Treasurer live in a world of make-believe because in the real world that we live in, it's not always possible to do so, as is the case with fruit and vegie growers who supply to large supermarkets, as those supermarkets refuse to accept any price rises (but gladly pass on the added cost of electricity to their customers - you and me - in the form of more expensive products).

I tell ya, it's a strange, strange world we live in under Labor and the Greens!!! Grin

Perhaps Shane the economist will come on later to explain the income effect and the price effect.

Don't forget the substitution effect, because the price effect is the sum of the substitution and income effects.

Cheesy

And supposing that Gillard has compensated households adequately then might want to consider the Hicksian demand function.

Away you go, Shane. Explain it.

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bambu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1084 Gender:	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:59pm What Penny Wong used to say about a carbon tax; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69KoyIYWSGs&feature=relmfu
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29131 Gender:	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:00pm MOTR wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Perhaps Mother Nature herself. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ra14mEm1Gmk/TcDEKdHModI/AAAAAAAABE4/OrVJTehVoSc/s1600/... Clearly a fake photograph...
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: The hilarious side of the carbon dioxide tax Reply #14 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:04pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:00pm: Clearly a fake photograph... not as fake as that thing in your head pretending to be a brain ....
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