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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #45 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:47am

Did you miss (or elect to not read) the views of the Climate Scientist at the World Institute that I posted below that shows China will increase its levels of pollution by 50% of what it is now by 2030 and that if they do this, the rest of the world will not be able to prevent catastrophic climate change no matter what they do?

Do you actually give a sh*t about what they plan to do?

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Reply #46 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Did you miss (or elect to not read) the views of the Climate Scientist at the World Institute that I posted below that shows China will increase its levels of pollution by 50% of what it is now by 2030 and that if they do this, the rest of the world will not be able to prevent catastrophic climate change no matter what they do?

Do you actually give a sh*t about what they plan to do?

You and those figures are assuming China will do nothing about their emissions..
Im assuming they will..even if its only because Chinas cities will become unlivable if they pour that much pollution into their own airspace.

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Reply #47 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 11:02am

Assuming based on what exactly?
The goodwill of the Chinese?

If I recall rightly Ms Gillard on selling her carbon tax policy reversal said China would see Australia and copy their lead.

Earlier this year, the People's Republic instructed its airlines to ignore the EU fine on not having a carbon tax and not paid it. China then threatened the EU on this issue.

Yeah, they are very likely to follow the lead - they have such an awesome track record of listening to the world.

Try and find any record of their Tianamen Square massacre in their history books....

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Reply #48 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 11:05am

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Did you miss (or elect to not read) the views of the Climate Scientist at the World Institute that I posted below that shows China will increase its levels of pollution by 50% of what it is now by 2030 and that if they do this, the rest of the world will not be able to prevent catastrophic climate change no matter what they do?

Do you actually give a sh*t about what they plan to do?

You and those figures are assuming China will do nothing about their emissions..
Im assuming they will..even if its only because Chinas cities will become unlivable if they pour that much pollution into their own airspace.

Lets all assume. How about you assume because the science is not proven, that we assume all is ok because we can assume China will do something about their emmissions.

You cannot be serious with all the AGW chanting you go on with.

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Reply #49 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:09am:

More like business meltdown, but if you stay asleep, you can dream all you like.

Just like the carbon tax must have worked, because the earth hasnt warmed for 16 years.

lol go back to sleep, much better in that world.

...a comment worth repeating i dare say____>BUMP!

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Reply #50 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:14pm

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:09am:

More like business meltdown, but if you stay asleep, you can dream all you like.

Just like the carbon tax must have worked, because the earth hasnt warmed for 16 years.

lol go back to sleep, much better in that world.

earth hasnt warmed for 16 years.?!?!

Where did you get that nonsense idea from?

You can come up with as much BS as you like. The earth has not warmed for 16 years.

there you go ... progs has admitted that no matter what the proof, s/hes to stupid to consider it because s/he's already made up her/his mind.

The earth has not warmed for 16 years. That is not making up my mind, that is the earth not warming for 16 years.

Thats good enough for me..time to convert my solar roof system to coal fired Cheesy

yEH: the physics involved of asking why we all can't use small scale coal is an interesting, and very useful, example of the role of hypothetical in scientific method!

EFFICIENCY BREEDS SUCCESS!!

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #51 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #52 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm: http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2011/11/Renewables.jpg Whats the total of govt subsidies for energy from coal including exploration, mining and then to the power station?
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #53 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2011/11/Renewables.jpg

Whats the total of govt subsidies for energy from coal including exploration, mining and then to the power station?

SHANE B HAS TO GO ON HOLIDAYS ABOUT NOW ME SUSPECTS!

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #54 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:45pm You still dont explain why the raising of prices on energy service for pensioners and the poor is a good thing...the Gillard Government is responsible for this...This policy is right wing social engineering...
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Reply #55 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:01pm

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2011/11/Renewables.jpg

Whats the total of govt subsidies for energy from coal including exploration, mining and then to the power station?

Buggered if I know. Just pointing out that all this la la green energy is costly.

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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #56 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2011/11/Renewables.jpg

Whats the total of govt subsidies for energy from coal including exploration, mining and then to the power station?

Buggered if I know. Just pointing out that all this la la green energy is costly.

Any money SHANE B can't define the term 'costly'!

End of,... I win... thanx for playing!

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #57 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:10pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 10:35am: I refuse to do anything or change the way I live until China joins the rest of the world and reduces its emissions.
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #58 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:13pm Straining at a gnat while they swallow a camel is a phrase that comes to mind with the energy price scammers...
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #59 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:18pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2011/11/Renewables.jpg

Whats the total of govt subsidies for energy from coal including exploration, mining and then to the power station?

Buggered if I know. Just pointing out that all this la la green energy is costly.

Any money SHANE B can't define the term 'costly'!

End of,... I win... thanx for playing!

Cheesy

Wind requires a price of more than $110 per megawatt hour to be economically viable and small-scale systems at least twice that. Coal-generated electricity costs $35-$40 per megawatt hour.

How's that for costly???

Cheesy

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