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Reply #15 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:50am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Meanwhile China has stated it will not see a reduction in carbon emissions until 2030 and continues to pollute at a greater increase than Australia's entire yearly output....

Got anymore of that Carbon-Tax Kool-Aid? It tastes awesome....
We're fixing the world everyone!!

Australia's emissions per capita are 4 times that of the Chinese.

Please stop trying to push these rubbish comparisons.

So you don't see the fact that everyone else is trying to reduce its emissions (the United States included) and China are making no attempt to reduce at all and will not do so until another 18 years time??

Are you aware just how much of the pollution today comes from there??

China is investing more money in alternate energies than just about anyone else on the planet ... how can you say they are making no attempt? didn't your mother ever teach you not to lie?

Chinese emissions increased by FIVE TIMES of the total reductions of the rest of the world combined through Kyoto.

Every country is trying to reduce - China has stated it will not reduce until 2030 at a minimum.

More Chinese suffer from emissions related illness in the large cities than every before.
Shanghai and Beijing are not constantly clouded in smog.

Why is it everyone else is trying to reduce but they are not?
Do we feel bad for them and just give them a free card to pollute?

The carbon tax is a waste of time if nobody addresses China.

25% of pollution above Los Angeles on a given day has come across the Pacific from China.
Fact.

And yet California has a price on carbon and invests heavily in the renewables sector

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #16 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:51am Adel will you not admit that China is the biggest emissions problem facing the world right now? An Australian carbon tax will do little.
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Reply #17 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:55am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Adel will you not admit that China is the biggest emissions problem facing the world right now?

An Australian carbon tax will do little.

A carbon tax will do little for China but it will do heaps for Australia.
Australia can only control its own policies...if China wants to keep buying our coal until it becomes so expensive they need to transition to renewables thats their problem.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am You don't see it as the world's problem? The country which pollutes more than the rest of the world and is killing the planet. I thought we all lived on it.
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Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Meanwhile China has stated it will not see a reduction in carbon emissions until 2030 and continues to pollute at a greater increase than Australia's entire yearly output....

Got anymore of that Carbon-Tax Kool-Aid? It tastes awesome....
We're fixing the world everyone!!

Australia's emissions per capita are 4 times that of the Chinese.

Please stop trying to push these rubbish comparisons.

So you don't see the fact that everyone else is trying to reduce its emissions (the United States included) and China are making no attempt to reduce at all and will not do so until another 18 years time??

Are you aware just how much of the pollution today comes from there??

China is investing more money in alternate energies than just about anyone else on the planet ... how can you say they are making no attempt? didn't your mother ever teach you not to lie?

Chinese emissions increased by FIVE TIMES of the total reductions of the rest of the world combined through Kyoto.

Every country is trying to reduce - China has stated it will not reduce until 2030 at a minimum.

More Chinese suffer from emissions related illness in the large cities than every before.
Shanghai and Beijing are not constantly clouded in smog.

Why is it everyone else is trying to reduce but they are not?
Do we feel bad for them and just give them a free card to pollute?

The carbon tax is a waste of time if nobody addresses China.

25% of pollution above Los Angeles on a given day has come across the Pacific from China.
Fact.

emmissions are going up because they are playing catch up with the developed world ... but thats not the point
you said 'China are making no attempt to reduce at all ' when you know thats a flat out lie

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Reply #20 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:59am

Fossil fuels are not going to last forever and with China and India on the rise fossil fuels will run out much earlier than we predicted.
Should we wait until the last minute before we make changes or should we act now and make the future much easier for ourselves and future generations of Aussies?
Like I said..right now we are in the box seat because we can get ever increasing prices for our coal and gas while using that money to invest in a renewable future.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results Reply #21 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:00am and bugger the planet and its atmosphere eh? Let's just keep selling fossil fuels to this pair of upstarts to pollute the planet?
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Reply #22 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:00am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Adel will you not admit that China is the biggest emissions problem facing the world right now?

If the people of the developed world emitted CO2 at the same per capita rate that Chinese people do - the problem would be reduced greatly.

It is the people of the western idustrialised nations who emit 4 time the amount that Chinese people do that are the problem. And who historically have emitted far more in total than Chinese people have.

Only nasty, greedy, ignorant people cannot understand the problem here.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

An Australian carbon tax will do little.

The carbon price has already resulted in a significant drop in Australia's emissions and a re-shaping of the energy market:

THE carbon tax has helped drive a sharp fall in the carbon emissions of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, mothballed or sell less into the electricity market.

http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/carbon-tax-contributes-to-emissions-drop-201210...

It appears that the Carbon Price is indeed having the impact it was designed for.

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Reply #23 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:02am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

and bugger the planet and its atmosphere eh?

Let's just keep selling fossil fuels to this pair of upstarts to pollute the planet?

No. We should be applying the carbon price to exports as well. That is one major flaw with the current carbon price. Hopefully the Greens will remedy that in the future.

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Reply #24 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:02am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

You don't see it as the world's problem?

The country which pollutes more than the rest of the world and is killing the planet.

I thought we all lived on it.

I agree..but China is developing renewable energy and the chinese are well aware of the pollution problems caused by burning fossil fuels in their cities.
What Im saying is Australia is in the box seat if we act now..we can take advantage of countries that are burning gas and coal like theres no tomorrow while investing in what will be inevitable..a renewable energy future

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Reply #25 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:03am

To quote my local Senator

"We all need to do our bit for the planet, but I tell you what I'll be damned if the United States picks up the bar bill for China"

China is the problem.
An Aussie carbon tax might make you feel better, but at the end of the day what Australia does is completely irrelevant to the world emission problem.

Everyone and I mean everyone should be capped back to their 1990 levels - including China, including the USA, including Australia - everyone.

China is the problem - they are not reducing and they are killing their own people.
Only this time with illness instead of tanks.

Carbon tax?
What a load of rubbish.

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Reply #26 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:05am

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

You don't see it as the world's problem?

The country which pollutes more than the rest of the world and is killing the planet.

I thought we all lived on it.

I agree..but China is developing renewable energy and the chinese are well aware of the pollution problems caused by burning fossil fuels in their cities.What Im saying is Australia is in the box seat if we act now..we can take advantage of countries that are burning gas and coal like theres no tomorrow while investing in what will be inevitable..a renewable energy future

yeah they have a history of giving a sh*t about their own people eh?
If they are prepared to treat their own people like crap, it pretty much shows they couldn't give a bugger about the world's atmosphere.

You people need to realize that the planet will live or die by people standing up and forcing this bunch of come-latelys back down to where they were.

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Reply #27 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:05am:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

You don't see it as the world's problem?

The country which pollutes more than the rest of the world and is killing the planet.

I thought we all lived on it.

I agree..but China is developing renewable energy and the chinese are well aware of the pollution problems caused by burning fossil fuels in their cities.What Im saying is Australia is in the box seat if we act now..we can take advantage of countries that are burning gas and coal like theres no tomorrow while investing in what will be inevitable..a renewable energy future

yeah they have a history of giving a sh*t about their own people eh?
If they are prepared to treat their own people like crap, it pretty much shows they couldn't give a bugger about the world's atmosphere.

You people need to realize that the planet will live or die by people standing up and forcing this bunch of come-latelys back down to where they were.

ohh , someone's feeling threatened ....

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Reply #28 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

You don't see it as the world's problem?

The country which pollutes more than the rest of the world and is killing the planet.

I thought we all lived on it.

China has a long way to go before you can claim it is the "country which pollutes more than the rest of the world"

CO2 remains in the atmosphere for about a century. The impacts we are experiencing now are mainly from the cumulative historic emissions by western nations. Not china

China, even though it's people emit only one quarter the amount that Australians do - is leading the world in renewable energy. For Australians to sit back and try to blame China is simply nasty, greedy and ignorant.

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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 9:08am

John Smith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 19^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Meanwhile China has stated it will not see a reduction in carbon emissions until 2030 and continues to pollute at a greater increase than Australia's entire yearly output....

Got anymore of that Carbon-Tax Kool-Aid? It tastes awesome....
We're fixing the world everyone!!

Australia's emissions per capita are 4 times that of the Chinese.

Please stop trying to push these rubbish comparisons.

So you don't see the fact that everyone else is trying to reduce its emissions (the United States included) and China are making no attempt to reduce at all and will not do so until another 18 years time??

Are you aware just how much of the pollution today comes from there??

China is investing more money in alternate energies than just about anyone else on the planet ... how can you say they are making no attempt? didn't your mother ever teach you not to lie?

Africaans doesn't have such a word

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