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Reply #135 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:10pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.


Pensioners like staying in bed all winter, eating pet food and showering once a week.  As like as that nice Jones man comes on the wireless every morning for them, they are as happy as Larry.


Its beginning to sound like 1950's England  Cheesy
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Reply #136 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:11pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:05am:
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and
the carbon price
were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.


Electricity sold into the east coast market
in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power
, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.

The decline in emissions intensity was sharpest in South Australia (16.1 per cent) ...


Victoria's LOSS, South Australia's GAIN


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350555285


... and Victoria (8.7 per cent). In NSW it was 4.3 per cent.
The dip began in June, shortly before the introduction of carbon pricing, as the market began to factor in the change
.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/power-demand-slump-sends-emissions...






There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.



Pet food is hardly a cheap alternative to fresh food so I assume people consuming it have mental health issues rather than financial problems.


It's a whole lot cheaper than fresh food...you can buy a huge tin of dog food for 7 bucks....and a very big bag of dry dog food for 10 bucks.
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Reply #137 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:05am:
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and
the carbon price
were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.


Electricity sold into the east coast market
in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power
, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.

The decline in emissions intensity was sharpest in South Australia (16.1 per cent) ...


Victoria's LOSS, South Australia's GAIN


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350555285


... and Victoria (8.7 per cent). In NSW it was 4.3 per cent.
The dip began in June, shortly before the introduction of carbon pricing, as the market began to factor in the change
.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/power-demand-slump-sends-emissions...






There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.



Pet food is hardly a cheap alternative to fresh food so I assume people consuming it have mental health issues rather than financial problems.


It's a whole lot cheaper than fresh food...you can but a huge tin of dog food for 7 bucks....and a very big bag of dry dog food for 10 bucks.


Vegie seeds cost a dollar a packet at the dollar shops..seasonal vegies all year long for sweet bugga all.
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Reply #138 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
People got through the great depression on far less than the poorest of the poor today without eating dog food.
Geez..we live in a country of friggin Drama Queens
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #139 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.


Pensioners like staying in bed all winter, eating pet food and showering once a week.  As like as that nice Jones man comes on the wireless every morning for them, they are as happy as Larry.


Its beginning to sound like 1950's England  Cheesy


If they're ladies and having a wedding anniversary or an 'elderly' birthday, Alan often sends them flowers.
Hmmm, not sure if the flowers sponsor is still there.
No worries, must be another flowers sponsor who wants a very large audience looking for a business to support in the war.
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #140 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Close all the coal-fired power stations"!!!!!

Lovely, and where do you think our electricity comes from? ...a few stoopid windmills and a few solar panels on people's houses?

THere are lots of ways to make electricity besides burning coal


Here is a fully costed and sourced plan to have Autralia's electricity carbon free in 10 years. Why not download and read it:

http://beyondzeroemissions.org/zero-carbon-australia-2020

bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Tax the big polluters"!!!!!

Lovely, tax them out of business, only trouble is, as Alan Jones says "The big polluters are the big employers"!

Yes - Alan Jones is often wrong, isn't he.






Australia’s Biggest Employers
Organisation  I  Number of employees  I  Change (%)
1 Woolworths  94,408,  19.0%
2 Coles Myer  94,000,  0.2%
3 Queensland Health  47,520,  9.2%
4 Telstra  44,452,  -3.8%
5 National Australia Bank  38,933,  -10.5%
6 Commonwealth Bank Group  36,664,  3.8%
7 Australia Post  34,842,  -0.5%
8 Qantas  34,832,  -1.9%
9 BHP Billiton  33,184,  -3.0%
10 ANZ Banking Group  32,256,  4.1%

http://newsletter.mycareer.com.au/general/nov2006/job-update/section/thomson.asp...


Of these - only Qantas and BHP would actually be paying the carbon price.  Maybe Coles and Woolies would also qualify - but they are hardly being "taxed out of business" are they!!!
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #141 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:19pm
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:05am:
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and
the carbon price
were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.


Electricity sold into the east coast market
in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power
, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.

The decline in emissions intensity was sharpest in South Australia (16.1 per cent) ...


Victoria's LOSS, South Australia's GAIN


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350555285


... and Victoria (8.7 per cent). In NSW it was 4.3 per cent.
The dip began in June, shortly before the introduction of carbon pricing, as the market began to factor in the change
.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/power-demand-slump-sends-emissions...






There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.



Pet food is hardly a cheap alternative to fresh food so I assume people consuming it have mental health issues rather than financial problems.


It's a whole lot cheaper than fresh food...you can buy a huge tin of dog food for 7 bucks....and a very big bag of dry dog food for 10 bucks.

Yeah - I only feed my Gran the dry food now.  Her hair has never been glossier!  I wish Granddad would stop licking his balls in front of the kids though.
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #142 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:26pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
People got through the great depression on far less than the poorest of the poor today without eating dog food.
Geez..we live in a country of friggin Drama Queens


Electricity cost a pittance in those days.
A man's wage, if he had a job...and after the depression...was high enough to support a family!
There was no tv, no smart phones, no computers, no video games, no washing machines.
You could have log fires, and wood fires under your bath...and kero bath heaters.
And burn coal in your living room fire.
I used to light the coal fire every afternoon after school.

No cars.
Try arriving at the office etc today in a horse and cart.
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Reply #143 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Close all the coal-fired power stations"!!!!!

Lovely, and where do you think our electricity comes from? ...a few stoopid windmills and a few solar panels on people's houses?

THere are lots of ways to make electricity besides burning coal


Here is a fully costed and sourced plan to have Autralia's electricity carbon free in 10 years. Why not download and read it:

http://beyondzeroemissions.org/zero-carbon-australia-2020

bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Tax the big polluters"!!!!!

Lovely, tax them out of business, only trouble is, as Alan Jones says "The big polluters are the big employers"!

Yes - Alan Jones is often wrong, isn't he.






Australia’s Biggest Employers
Organisation  I  Number of employees  I  Change (%)
1 Woolworths  94,408,  19.0%
2 Coles Myer  94,000,  0.2%
3 Queensland Health  47,520,  9.2%
4 Telstra  44,452,  -3.8%
5 National Australia Bank  38,933,  -10.5%
6 Commonwealth Bank Group  36,664,  3.8%
7 Australia Post  34,842,  -0.5%
8 Qantas  34,832,  -1.9%
9 BHP Billiton  33,184,  -3.0%
10 ANZ Banking Group  32,256,  4.1%

http://newsletter.mycareer.com.au/general/nov2006/job-update/section/thomson.asp...


Of these - only Qantas and BHP would actually be paying the carbon price.  Maybe Coles and Woolies would also qualify - but they are hardly being "taxed out of business" are they!!!


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-hit-list-below-expected-500-companies-20120504-1y4h7.html

Carbon tax hit list below expected 500 companies


THE number of companies hit by the carbon tax will be considerably lower than the 500 previously thought, it emerged yesterday as the Gillard government released its long-awaited hit list of liable greenhouse emitters.

The preliminary list included 248 companies, councils and other organisations that will pay the $23-per-tonne carbon tax from July 1. As expected, most are power generators, mining companies and heavy industry firms, though includes surprises such as Crown Melbourne and La Trobe University, both of which generate their own electricity.

A further 80 companies have been advised in writing they will cop the tax, and The Age understands the list for 2012-13 will total closer to 400 emitters than the originally forecast 500. Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said: ''I'm quite confident it's going to be under 500.''

Based on greenhouse emissions data, big power generators including Latrobe Valley giants Loy Yang, International Power and TRUenergy top the list, along with mining firms BHP and Rio Tinto, and heavy industry such as Alcoa.


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Lots of companies, lots of employees.
Alan Jones is correct as usual...well except for those two minor mistakes.

Good luck to any small business contracting to a council.
Good luck to anyone working for a large business contracting to a council.

People won't pay the massively increased tip fees, they'll just dump their rubbish beside the roads or in the bush.




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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #144 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 3:05pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:05am:
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and
the carbon price
were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.


Electricity sold into the east coast market
in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power
, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.

The decline in emissions intensity was sharpest in South Australia (16.1 per cent) ...


Victoria's LOSS, South Australia's GAIN


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350555285


... and Victoria (8.7 per cent). In NSW it was 4.3 per cent.
The dip began in June, shortly before the introduction of carbon pricing, as the market began to factor in the change
.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/power-demand-slump-sends-emissions...






There's less demand for electricity because many pensioners and others are staying in bed all winter, eating pet food, showering once a week [the electricity turned off for 6 days a week]etc ...as the 'politicians' keep jacking up the price of electricity to unaffordable levels.



Pet food is hardly a cheap alternative to fresh food so
I assume people consuming it have mental health issues rather than financial problems.


I feed the boys on chicken necks, kangaroo mince, bacon, carrot, rice and weet-bix


...


Cheaper than pet food ( ... none of the Howard/Costello GST)



... though their behaviour SOMETIMES borders on "mental health issues"





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Reply #145 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 3:21pm
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Close all the coal-fired power stations"!!!!!

Lovely, and
where do you think our electricity comes from?

 



In VICTORIA, we are being supplied from South Australia's wind farms



buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:14pm:
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Timothy McDonald
Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:54am AEST


While gale-force winds kept emergency services busy across South Australia this week, they also fired up turbines on the state's wind farms.

Figures from the Australian Energy Market Operator show while the winds were howling, more than half the state's power came from wind farms.

Roughly a quarter of South Australia's power came from wind farms last year



http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3627068-3x2-940x627.jpg

Mt Millar wind farm on Eyre Peninsula in SA


Peak wind generation accounted for up to 85 per cent of the state's power
.




But the Clean Energy Council's policy director, Russell Marsh, says when winds topped 90 kilometres per hour earlier this week, that figure was much higher.

"What we've seen is over the last couple of days the amount of energy generated from wind power in South Australia has gone through between 55 and 85 per cent since Monday as a result of the very strong winds we're having at the moment," he said.

And for a few brief moments in the early hours of Wednesday morning, wind was generating so much power some of it was being exported to Victoria.


Mr Marsh says emissions from South Australia's power sector have fallen every year since 2005, and have dropped 27 per cent over the past five years.

He says there is no reason other states could not emulate the success.

"South Australia has a great, great wind resource, it's probably one of the best places in Australia to build wind," he said.

"And we expect to see ... many more wind farms built, not just in South Australia but in other states along the south-east coast of Australia."

But he says the figures do not suggest coal-fired power generation's days are numbered.

"We're really only starting down the path of developing both wind energy specifically and renewable energy generally in Australia," Mr Marsh said.

"I think we're going to see coal and other fossil fuel generation around for a number of years to come. But, certainly we reckon that wind and other renewables can certainly play their part in generating more energy in the future."

One of the criticisms of wind power has long been that times of light wind conditions result in a reduction in the amount of energy generated.

But Mr Marsh denies this week's event reinforces that argument.

"No it doesn't, because what the market operator's also showing is that across the year, about 25 per cent of the state's power comes from wind," he said.

"And that has resulted in two things in South Australia. Firstly, you're seeing less generation from coal and gas as a result of the amount of wind. And also you're seeing greenhouse gas emissions in South Australia dropping.

"So... what we're seeing in South Australia is evidence that deploying wind, in this case wind, in Australia actually does lead to using less fossil fuels and reduces emission."




http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-07/gales-fire-up-south-australian-wind-turbin...




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But the government is unlikely to face proposals for any more wind farms in the near future, Pacific Hydro spokesman Andrew Richards said.

''We are not going to look at any projects in Victoria at this stage,'' Mr Richards told the paper. ''It's just too difficult. The industry is in a holding pattern, a wait-and-see pattern.''


The Baillieu government ‘s wind farm policy allows residents to knock back any turbine development less than two kilometres from their home.


http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/vic-see-more-wind-farms-despite-baillieu...







buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 10:49pm:
Premier John Brumby held a press conference with the renewable energy companies and warned that the opposition policy would kill the wind industry in the state as it would effectively create a 13-square-kilometre exclusion zone around each home.

South Australian Labor Premier Mike Rann agreed, welcoming the Coalition policy as a potential boon for wind farm construction in his state
.




http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/you-dont-need-a-weatherman-to-know-which-way-t...















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Reply #146 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 5:00pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
I don't think the progs has worked out yet that the average temperature is the 0 (ZERO) and anything above that is above average temp. ...

ACtually, maybe he has a point.

If we look at deaths at sea of asylum seekers, Under the Howard Pacific Solution, 353 asylum died at sea in 2001, but only104 have died at sea in 2012.

353 is bigger than 104, right Progs?

So that means the rate of deaths at sea of asylum seekers has reduced under the current government.

Is that how it works Progs?
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Reply #147 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 5:45pm
 
Geez, glad I don't live in South Australia.

Did the Neodymium that helps power every Windmill get a mention?

You know, the stuff that comes from China and is toxic along with the whole toxic process of getting that rare earth from the ground.

No?  Didn't think so.
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Reply #148 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:39pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
Geez, glad I don't live in South Australia.

Did the Neodymium that helps power every Windmill get a mention?

You know, the stuff that comes from China and is toxic along with the whole toxic process of getting that rare earth from the ground.

No?  Didn't think so.

I guess you are also lucky you never use a computer.  It is in your hard drive too.
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Reply #149 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:14pm
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:40pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Close all the coal-fired power stations"!!!!!

Lovely, and where do you think our electricity comes from? ...a few stoopid windmills and a few solar panels on people's houses?

THere are lots of ways to make electricity besides burning coal


Here is a fully costed and sourced plan to have Autralia's electricity carbon free in 10 years. Why not download and read it:

http://beyondzeroemissions.org/zero-carbon-australia-2020

bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
"Tax the big polluters"!!!!!

Lovely, tax them out of business, only trouble is, as Alan Jones says "The big polluters are the big employers"!

Yes - Alan Jones is often wrong, isn't he.






Australia’s Biggest Employers
Organisation  I  Number of employees  I  Change (%)
1 Woolworths  94,408,  19.0%
2 Coles Myer  94,000,  0.2%
3 Queensland Health  47,520,  9.2%
4 Telstra  44,452,  -3.8%
5 National Australia Bank  38,933,  -10.5%
6 Commonwealth Bank Group  36,664,  3.8%
7 Australia Post  34,842,  -0.5%
8 Qantas  34,832,  -1.9%
9 BHP Billiton  33,184,  -3.0%
10 ANZ Banking Group  32,256,  4.1%

http://newsletter.mycareer.com.au/general/nov2006/job-update/section/thomson.asp...


Of these - only Qantas and BHP would actually be paying the carbon price.  Maybe Coles and Woolies would also qualify - but they are hardly being "taxed out of business" are they!!!


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-hit-list-below-expected-500-companies-20120504-1y4h7.html

Carbon tax hit list below expected 500 companies


THE number of companies hit by the carbon tax will be considerably lower than the 500 previously thought, it emerged yesterday as the Gillard government released its long-awaited hit list of liable greenhouse emitters.

The preliminary list included 248 companies, councils and other organisations that will pay the $23-per-tonne carbon tax from July 1. As expected, most are power generators, mining companies and heavy industry firms, though includes surprises such as Crown Melbourne and La Trobe University, both of which generate their own electricity.

A further 80 companies have been advised in writing they will cop the tax, and The Age understands the list for 2012-13 will total closer to 400 emitters than the originally forecast 500. Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said: ''I'm quite confident it's going to be under 500.''

Based on greenhouse emissions data, big power generators including Latrobe Valley giants Loy Yang, International Power and TRUenergy top the list, along with mining firms BHP and Rio Tinto, and heavy industry such as Alcoa.


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Lots of companies, lots of employees.
Alan Jones is correct as usual...well except for those two minor mistakes.

Good luck to any small business contracting to a council.
Good luck to anyone working for a large business contracting to a council.

People won't pay the massively increased tip fees, they'll just dump their rubbish beside the roads or in the bush.






been to the tip about a dozen times since carbon tax kicked in ...total cost $Zero, $Zip $Nil
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