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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #105 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #106 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #107 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?



Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #108 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.
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Reply #109 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:44am
 
Progs, I don't get how you can avoid seeing how ridiculous your position is.

Didn't think you would answer the questions. One more example of your intellectual cowardice.
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Reply #110 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am
 
I don't think the progs has worked out yet that the average temperature is the 0 (ZERO) and anything above that is above average temp. ...
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Our esteemed leader:
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Reply #111 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.

No answers huh?

Just clinging to what Jonesy told you - in the face of all facts to the contrary.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature decreasing?

Any answers?
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Re: A Price on Carbon - Immediate Results
Reply #112 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.

No answers huh?

Just clinging to what Jonesy told you - in the face of all facts to the contrary.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature decreasing?

Any answers?

If you want to be some kind of idiot, then go for it, but the answer is still the same.

I did not state the word decrease. You did.
0.5 is the same as 0.5. Even with it being warmer than a static baseline, it is still the same as 16 years ago.

Too bad co2 and temperature doesnt correlate, then you may seem to have a bit less air in that head of yours.
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Reply #113 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
I don't think the progs has worked out yet that the average temperature is the 0 (ZERO) and anything above that is above average temp. ...

No.  He hasn't.

That graph came from an appalling article in the Daily Mail by David Rose.  It is hard to imagine that anyone could be so stupid to be sucked in by it.  Oh welll....

FWIW, here is the actual data series the Rose graph is derived from:
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http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/versions/HadCRUT.4.1.1.0_releas...

Really looks like we're getting cooler, doesn't it Progs!
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Reply #114 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:58am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.

No answers huh?

Just clinging to what Jonesy told you - in the face of all facts to the contrary.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature decreasing?

Any answers?

If you want to be some kind of idiot, then go for it, but the answer is still the same.

I did not state the word decrease. You did.
0.5 is the same as 0.5. Even with it being warmer than a static baseline, it is still the same as 16 years ago.

Too bad co2 and temperature doesnt correlate, then you may seem to have a bit less air in that head of yours.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature not increasing?
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Reply #115 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:59am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
I don't think the progs has worked out yet that the average temperature is the 0 (ZERO) and anything above that is above average temp. ...

No.  He hasn't.

That graph came from an appalling article in the Daily Mail by David Rose.  It is hard to imagine that anyone could be so stupid to be sucked in by it.  Oh welll....

FWIW, here is the actual data series the Rose graph is derived from:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/current/update_diagnostics/glob...
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/versions/HadCRUT.4.1.1.0_releas...

Really looks like we're getting cooler, doesn't it Progs!

lol another AGW'r with a graph that shows temps the same in the last 16 years.
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Reply #116 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 12:01pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:59am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
I don't think the progs has worked out yet that the average temperature is the 0 (ZERO) and anything above that is above average temp. ...

No.  He hasn't.

That graph came from an appalling article in the Daily Mail by David Rose.  It is hard to imagine that anyone could be so stupid to be sucked in by it.  Oh welll....

FWIW, here is the actual data series the Rose graph is derived from:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/current/update_diagnostics/glob...
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/versions/HadCRUT.4.1.1.0_releas...

Really looks like we're getting cooler, doesn't it Progs!

lol another AGW'r with a graph that shows temps the same in the last 16 years.


Why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
Why is sea level  rising?
Why has the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded?
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Reply #117 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 12:01pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:58am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.

No answers huh?

Just clinging to what Jonesy told you - in the face of all facts to the contrary.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature decreasing?

Any answers?

If you want to be some kind of idiot, then go for it, but the answer is still the same.

I did not state the word decrease. You did.
0.5 is the same as 0.5. Even with it being warmer than a static baseline, it is still the same as 16 years ago.

Too bad co2 and temperature doesnt correlate, then you may seem to have a bit less air in that head of yours.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature not increasing?

you seem to have a fixation on a trace gas that is noise behind water vapour.

Go look at the other drivers, you may learn something.
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Reply #118 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:58am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:57am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:48am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:42am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:37am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:38am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:20am:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:38pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Shane B wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Nice graph.

I hope Progressiveslol looks at it.

It shows very clearly that the earth has indeed been warming since 1997.

The rate of warming in 1997 was very high.  Not as high as 2005 - but still very high.

But overall - the eath has been warming every year since 1997 - at varying rates of increase.

Do you understand this Progressiveslol?

Do you need it explained to you in simpler terms?

The temperature anomoly has been positive every year since 1997 (and longer). 
Hence - the planet has been warming every year since 1997 (and longer). 

hmmm let me see if I can view it in your AGW eyes........ nope. 2 is bigger than 1, im pretty sure of that, but 1 is equal to 1, so.... 0.5 would be or can be assumed by my edumacation, to be equal to 0.5. Yep, I certainly cant see it in your AGW eyes.

You don't understand what that graph shows - do you.

It is the annual temperature above a baseline average.

Every year that the temperature anomaly is positive - means the earth is warming.

If the temperature were cooling, as you and Jonesy claim - then that graph would show predominantly negative values.  It doesn't.  Every single year represented in that graph THE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY IS POSITIVE.

Imagine that your mummy or daddy are driving their car.  When they press the accelerator - they accelerate.  They go faster.  If they press it hard - they will go faster at a greater rate than if they press it softly - but as long as they keep up some rate of positive acceleration - they will keep going faster.  That graph shows that the foot has been of the accelerator for the earth's temperature every year since 1997 (at least).

That is why the earth is warming.
That is why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
That is why sea level is rising
That is why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Alan Jones has been lying to you.  He has a problem with facts.  You should stop listening to him.  And you should definitely stop repeating his nonsense.  It indicates you are not very bright.

lol that is pathetic

so every year at 0.5 above some number someone made up, the baseline, is somehow different 16 years later at the same 0.5 degrees. Get a grip.

At 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years ago, is still the same 0.5 degrees above the baseline 16 years later. Meaning it has not warmed in 16 years. The baseline is static.

Talk about nutters from AGW.

Still having trouble aren't you.  But you seem like a bright kiddie trying to learn.  So let's try again shall we?

Imagine that your mummy and daddy give you pocket money every week.

The exact amount they give you differs each week - sometimes it is more than a dollar, sometimes it is less than a dollar - but over the course of a year the amount they give you averages out to exactly $1.00 per week.

Then suddenly - over a 16 week period they suddenly start giving you more than $1.00 every single week!  Some weeks it is $1.10, some weeks it is $1.50, some weeks it is $1.01 - whatever - but it is always more than $1.00 - the amount you were getting on average up till then.

Are you telling us that if this happened, you would run to your mummy and daddy in tears saying - "Why is my pocket money decreasing?!?!?!?"

So whats your answer little boy. You can play, I will just go onto more adult things.

Do you have any real arguments or is it all air in that head of yours.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us how you interpret 16 years of positive temperature anomalies, all greater than the 30 year base line average, as showing that temperature is decreasing?!?!?

It is completely illogical.

Could you show us any actual scientific study that suggests the planet's temperature has been decreasing?


Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why global glacial mass balance is decreasing
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing,  why sea level is rising
Could you explain to us why, if as you and Jonesy say, the global temperature is decreasing, why the arctic Ice cap has shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded.

Any answers?  Or still just placing your faith in what a shock jock with truth issues has told you?

Well there is your problem. Really, no need to thank me.

You seem to think that 2 is less than 1 or that 1 is less than 1 and to the point, that 0.5 is somehow less than 0.5.

No answers huh?

Just clinging to what Jonesy told you - in the face of all facts to the contrary.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was decreasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature decreasing?

Any answers?

If you want to be some kind of idiot, then go for it, but the answer is still the same.

I did not state the word decrease. You did.
0.5 is the same as 0.5. Even with it being warmer than a static baseline, it is still the same as 16 years ago.

Too bad co2 and temperature doesnt correlate, then you may seem to have a bit less air in that head of yours.

What would cause global glacial mass balance to decrease - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause global average seal level to increase - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?
What would cause the arctic ice cap to shrink to the lowest ever recorded level - if the planet's temperature was not increasing?

And how is it - when we have had 16 years in a row of average global temperatures which were in excess of the 30 year average global temperature - you interpret this as the earth's temperature not increasing?

hmmm how is 0.5 equal to 0.5. Im stumped, how about you lol  Grin Grin Grin
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Are you for real, progs? If the climate is not warming why is our last decade 2000-2010 (red bars) so much warmer than the previous decade 1990-1999(orange bars).
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