Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:


OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu.

courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/pakistani-sheep-cull-disgusting-ludwig/story-fn...

Pakistani sheep cull extremely distressing, says National Farmers Federation

FARMERS have branded a cull of sheep of 21,000 Australian sheep by Pakistani authorities "extremely distressing", but say banning the live export trade would erode animal welfare standards worldwide.

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What a load of hogwash.
If we're not exporting our animals then no one can possibly torture them to death.
If all countries do the same, then that eliminates a massive amount of animal welfare abuse immediately.

Solution to the problem;

Give all the billions in foreign aid we donate to Pakistan, Indonesia etc straight to our farmers, eliminating the middle man and the animal cruelty.

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:


You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form.
Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve.
There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up

I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash.
Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it?
It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats.

We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution.

But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Yes the Italians like the slaves John? 

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:


Avram, I was wondering where you were .... my toilet needs cleaning, hop to it ...

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:



We didn't remain the most successful by staying at our most savage either.
Our society has evolved and continues to by suppressing these basic instincts of violence and replacing them with reason, otherwise we'd still be tribes with the games of the roman circus.
My point about market forces is valid and a way to force these still backward societies to progress to the modern world.

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:


Yeah. Theres no way to "humanely kill" anything anyway. the reason i signed it is because i dont think we should be sending animals across the ocean alive. Kill them here where our workers have jobs. This is obviously the reason abattoirs are closing and causing whole towns to die.

SOB