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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	POLYGAMY Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:24am It's the natural order of humans. Why do we comply with the unnatural imposition of monogamy?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #1 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:32am Many dont. I was wondering the same thing last night when they were talking about how government legislates marriage. Who decided it had to be monogamy for all? SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #2 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:48am Monogamy reduces the many problems caused by undersexed males (which mostly falls under the banner of violent crime) who wouldn't have a hope in attracting a mate otherwise, but I'm not so sure it's indefinitely sustainable.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #3 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:55am How does it do that? SOB
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Reply #4 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources - it becomes apparent that lesser males can't offer a very good deal. What is more attractive in this sense - sharing a billionaire with 5 other women, or having a minimum wage worker all to yourself? No contest - that's several hundred million $ vs ~$20,000. I can hear the idelaists now - "but I don't care about money, I love my poor man with the heart of gold." That's great, but can you speak for every woman?

Thus, without enforced monogamy females seek out higher status males, with the alpha males overseeing a harem of several women, while those at the bottom of the ladder get none.
But those lesser males still have urges that if not indulged, are expressed in destructive ways. Monogamy is a trade off between men - alphas give up the official right to have more than one missus (though they still always seem to have mistresses don't they?) in exchange for relative peace from betas.

Many mistakenly think polygamy is oppressive to women, when in fact the opposite is true - it is monogamy that restrains their hypergamous instincts.

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #5 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:57pm ... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:48am: undersexed males I didn't think there was such a thing.....
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #6 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 1:19pm Frances wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:57pm: ... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:48am: undersexed males I didn't think there was such a thing..... Well that would reflect very poorly on the standards of women. You reckon this guy is getting all the sex he wants?
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #7 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 1:36pm Doesn't look like anyone I know....
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #8 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm Quote: Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources Can you please clarify exactly what you mean by that? Is it a one-way street where women use their sexual appeal to attract men with money?
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Reply #9 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:32pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

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Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources

Can you please clarify exactly what you mean by that? Is it a one-way street where women use their sexual appeal to attract men with money?

How can it be a one-way deal? Our species very survival is dependant on a mutually beneficial arrangement between the 2 sexes.

Put simply: Humans living things are driven by the primal instinct to reproduce.

Males generally want quantity - reflected by our potential to impregnate a huge amount of women.

Females genarally want quality - reflected by their inability to carry more than 1 mans baby at once.

One thing that needs correcting is that while money is an indicator of status (quality) it is not the ONLY indicator.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #10 - Sep 27^th, 2012 at 2:37am You know where it's at Wes...simple nature is true democracy. Unfortunately, our so-called democracy does not reflect that in the least.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: POLYGAMY Reply #11 - Sep 27^th, 2012 at 4:33am Some women want more than 1 man . . . . . why would that be taboo? SOB
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Reply #12 - Sep 27^th, 2012 at 7:11am

... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Frances wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

undersexed males

I didn't think there was such a thing.....

Well that would reflect very poorly on the standards of women. You reckon this guy is getting all the sex he wants?

That's a little different to being undersexed.

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Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources - it becomes apparent that lesser males can't offer a very good deal

Sometimes less is more. Perhaps lesser males might appear to be of poor value, but they could have other qualities which might be appealing ie less likely to be unfaithful; more grateful to have a woman and therefore more willing to please her than an alpha male.

Generally it seems that alpha males are needed more for procreation. Often women go by their instincts and not their logic when it comes to choosing a father for their future progeny.

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Reply #13 - Sep 27^th, 2012 at 11:35am

... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

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Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources

Can you please clarify exactly what you mean by that? Is it a one-way street where women use their sexual appeal to attract men with money?

How can it be a one-way deal? Our species very survival is dependant on a mutually beneficial arrangement between the 2 sexes.

Put simply: Humans living things are driven by the primal instinct to reproduce.

Males generally want quantity - reflected by our potential to impregnate a huge amount of women.

Females genarally want quality - reflected by their inability to carry more than 1 mans baby at once.

One thing that needs correcting is that while money is an indicator of status (quality) it is not the ONLY indicator.

By one way deal I meant is it overwhelmingly women exchanging sex for security (or resources) and men who give security in exchange for sex.'

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Reply #14 - Sep 27^th, 2012 at 11:37am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

... wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 26^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

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Becaaaaause...if we look at mating as a contract - swapping sex for resources

Can you please clarify exactly what you mean by that? Is it a one-way street where women use their sexual appeal to attract men with money?

How can it be a one-way deal? Our species very survival is dependant on a mutually beneficial arrangement between the 2 sexes.

Put simply: Humans living things are driven by the primal instinct to reproduce.

Males generally want quantity - reflected by our potential to impregnate a huge amount of women.

Females genarally want quality - reflected by their inability to carry more than 1 mans baby at once.

One thing that needs correcting is that while money is an indicator of status (quality) it is not the ONLY indicator.

By one way deal I meant is it overwhelmingly women exchanging sex for security (or resources) and men who give security in exchange for sex.'

Of course. Why would that be in doubt? Huh

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