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Economic Priorities Skewed - Says Milne. (Read 4276 times)
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Reply #15 - Sep 26th, 2012 at 1:01pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:43am:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 11:30am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 9:33am:
Milne discussing economics is akin to me discussing the internal mechanics of the Sudanese parliament.

This from a woman who heads a party that -

1) Would see some of us pay a 50% tax rate
2) Decimate the main industry of Australia with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs
3) Wants to increase the cost of living to families across Australia.



For a complete buffoon such as Milne to even look at the subject of economics and priorities - when her party is so far out of kilter is offensive to say the least.

I'm surprised at you Imcrook supporting a party that have shown they couldn't give a bugger about the economic well being of middle and lower Australia - all in their pursuit of nonsense policies driven by a beautiful green world (usually LSD fuellled).


Andrei,
For the record -
1) That has already happened & the world didn't end.
2) That is already happening now & has very little to do with either major Australian Political or the Greens.
3) That is also already happening, as witnessed by a declining disposable income, particularly over the last decade. I also expect that disposable income will continue to shrink, for some time, yet!




You support people in the middle income brackets paying HALF of their income in tax???

That is NEVER acceptable.


People spend their own money better than any Government will.


Since when has the Australian middle income brackets paid 50% of their income in Tax???

Even the TOP bracket has been under 50% (gross - prior to the tax free component & tax deductions), since the early to mid 1980's and prior to that the TOP rates were quite a bit higher, BUT again, the world didn't end! 
http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?doc=/content/73969.htm

That said, I would prefer to see a systemic change, where all Government Taxes & all Government Expenditures, are simplified!

Both Personal & Business Taxes should be reset, with few Tax shelters or Deductions, at Tax rates low enough and Penalties high enough, to make Tax avoidance prohibitive, in fact irrelevant!

All other Taxes, under any guise, should also be rationalised and those on low incomes should be directly reimbursed, to balance their losses, maintain their disposable income & thus enable them with a capacity to continue to support acceptable levels of Demand, to drive that section of the Economy.

But, Revenue does not stand alone, it has a partner, commonly called Expenditure, which also needs to be thoroughly overhauled. There is, no doubt, a great deal of waste in what is spent, both by Governments & by Private Corporations.

That waste needs to be surgically removed, not with sweeping cuts, but with carefully planed incisions, so that the unnecessary waste goes, but the productive & Economically needed stimulants remain and are Productive.

However, I suspect that what will happen here, will be -
1) Sweeping Expenditure Cuts.
2) An increase in overall Tax/es.      
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Reply #16 - Sep 26th, 2012 at 1:06pm
 
A lot of what she is saying is correct.

The profits from our growth has not really helping us much. The profits are going into the pockets of a select few.
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Reply #17 - Sep 26th, 2012 at 5:09pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
A lot of what she is saying is correct.

The profits from our growth has not really helping us much. The profits are going into the pockets of a select few.


That is ...

The companies pay 30% tax on their profits to the Govt. Sad

The shareholders risk their money investing in the companies and they get dividends which they pay tax on as well. Sad

The employees earn wages and pay taxes and spend their cash. Sad

The shops sell their goods to the employees make profits and pay tax. Sad

The Govt then uses the taxes to pork barrell and give handouts to the people who prefer to do nothing, prefer not to pay tax, and don't risk their capital because they have none to risk because they prefer to sit on their arses. Sad

Don't give me that whinging whine about not getting anything.....

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Re: Economic Priorities Skewed - Says Milne.
Reply #18 - Sep 27th, 2012 at 10:32am
 
Swagman wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 26th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
A lot of what she is saying is correct.

The profits from our growth has not really helping us much. The profits are going into the pockets of a select few.


That is http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu330/cthulhu19887/smileys/bullshit-1.gif

The companies pay 30% tax on their profits to the Govt. Sad

The shareholders risk their money investing in the companies and they get dividends which they pay tax on as well. Sad

The employees earn wages and pay taxes and spend their cash. Sad

The shops sell their goods to the employees make profits and pay tax. Sad

The Govt then uses the taxes to pork barrell and give handouts to the people who prefer to do nothing, prefer not to pay tax, and don't risk their capital because they have none to risk because they prefer to sit on their arses. Sad

Don't give me that whinging whine about not getting anything.....




We have seen a long term economic environment which should have translated into significant improvements in our society - this did not happen - there are reason why our society does not benefit as a whole from the positives of our economic performance.

Note: when the economy goes negative we all get to share in the problems real quick.

The people who take most of the benifits in the good times are very happy to distribute the lions share of the  pain when it gets tough.
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