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Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

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Malcolm Turnbull has launched a survey to identify Australia’s broadband black spots but he says the Coalition will not be able to detail a fully-costed alternative to the National Broadband Network prior to the next election.
The opposition communications spokesman said the government’s national broadband network was failing to meet urgent need.
But Mr Turnbull told ABC radio he could not say how much the Coalition’s policy would cost in total until it had access to contractual details.
‘‘Our policy will be costed in the sense that we can provide very hard, reliable estimates of the relative cost of our approach, but we are not in a position to provide an alternative, if you like, to the NBN Co’s corporate plan because we simply don’t access to the contractual information,’’ Mr Turnbull said.
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‘‘We don’t know the extent to which they have made commitments or the terms on which those commitments are made.’’

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-unable-to-fully...

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:18pm To be honest, if this is a return to the making of rational election pledges then I welcome it. No surprise that it's Turnbull doing this.
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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:21pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

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Malcolm Turnbull has launched a survey to identify Australia’s broadband black spots but he says the Coalition will not be able to detail a fully-costed alternative to the National Broadband Network prior to the next election.
The opposition communications spokesman said the government’s national broadband network was failing to meet urgent need.
But Mr Turnbull told ABC radio he could not say how much the Coalition’s policy would cost in total until it had access to contractual details.
‘‘Our policy will be costed in the sense that we can provide very hard, reliable estimates of the relative cost of our approach, but we are not in a position to provide an alternative, if you like, to the NBN Co’s corporate plan because we simply don’t access to the contractual information,’’ Mr Turnbull said.
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‘‘We don’t know the extent to which they have made commitments or the terms on which those commitments are made.’’

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-unable-to-fully...

until it had access to contractual details.

because we simply don’t access to the contractual information

Perhaps he should have made it more simpler and clearer for all the morons out there?

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:23pm The NBN along with Roxons Totalitarian new surveillance laws is just one big tax payer funded fascist surveillance grid to make the paranoid dictatorship; feel a little better about things knowing what we are saying in private conversations...
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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:47pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

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Good call. It seems the cost of the NBN is unknown to the NBN Co as well.

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NBN Co confirms billion-dollar cost blowout

Broadband Network (NBN) has revealed the cost of the project has gone up by more than $1 billion and that it will take six months longer than expected to complete.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-08/nbn27s-new-corporate-plan-released/4185694

For those wanting to know the final cost just follow the Conroy formula:

X times 14, minus 20x and add 100.

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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:53pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

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Malcolm Turnbull has launched a survey to identify Australia’s broadband black spots but he says the Coalition will not be able to detail a fully-costed alternative to the National Broadband Network prior to the next election.
The opposition communications spokesman said the government’s national broadband network was failing to meet urgent need.
But Mr Turnbull told ABC radio he could not say how much the Coalition’s policy would cost in total until it had access to contractual details.
‘‘Our policy will be costed in the sense that we can provide very hard, reliable estimates of the relative cost of our approach, but we are not in a position to provide an alternative, if you like, to the NBN Co’s corporate plan because we simply don’t access to the contractual information,’’ Mr Turnbull said.
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‘‘We don’t know the extent to which they have made commitments or the terms on which those commitments are made.’’

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-unable-to-fully...

and you consider the rudd gillard costing of $4.5bn....which was then adjusted to $40bn...acceptable.????

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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #6 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

salad in wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

[...]

Good call. It seems the cost of the NBN is unknown to the NBN Co as well.

Quote:

NBN Co confirms billion-dollar cost blowout

Broadband Network (NBN) has revealed the cost of the project has gone up by more than $1 billion and that it will take six months longer than expected to complete.

[...]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-08/nbn27s-new-corporate-plan-released/4185694

For those wanting to know the final cost just follow the Conroy formula:

X times 14, minus 20x and add 100.

after their first GUESS $4.5bn.... I wouldnt trust any figure to be honest..they are now so far in over their heads they wouldnt dare tell us the truth... 885 STAFF so far... OMG.

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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 4:09pm

cods wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

and you consider the rudd gillard costing of $4.5bn....which was then adjusted to $40bn...acceptable.????

I consider you to be a very confused indivdual. The original costing wasn't $4.5 billion, it went up BY $4.5 billion Roll Eyes

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NBN Co's broadband network will cost more to construct and operate than first expected - about $4.6 billion over ten years – but roll out targets are being met, according to an update on its corporate plan.

The government's total investment in the NBN Co project will now be $30.4 billion, up from $27.5 billion. And operating expenditure will be about $26.4 billion between now and 2021, rather than $23.2 billion.

About 13,500 premises will be connected via either fibre, fixed wireless or statellite by June 2012, the updated plan reveals. A total of 92,000 will be connected by mid-2013, when the next federal election is expected, and about half a million premises will be connected a year later.

In the last corporate plan, written in December 2010, NBN Co forecast it would have 419,000 premises connected by June 2013.

Shareholder minister Stephen Conroy said NBN Co got access to detailed information about Telstra's network nine months later than expected.

“The detailed design of the volume roll out could not start until five months ago. The overwhelming bulk of the data needed to start the volume roll out was not available until conditions precedent were satisfied in March of this year,” he said.

“Only then could the NBN Co design teams have access to the lay out of all the Telstra pits and ducts across the nation.”

Since the last report came out NBN Co has signed a 40-year deal with Telstra to use its infrastructure. Telstra expects to get at least $11 billion, in 2010 dollars, over the life of the contract.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/185524/nbn-costs-blow-out-by-46bn/?cs=9

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN Reply #9 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 4:20pm The big threat to the NBN are the new laws being introduced by Roxon to store all of our private conversations for the fascist state...freedom should never be ceded to tyrants for security...
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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 5:07pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

Quote:

Malcolm Turnbull has launched a survey to identify Australia’s broadband black spots but he says the Coalition will not be able to detail a fully-costed alternative to the National Broadband Network prior to the next election.
The opposition communications spokesman said the government’s national broadband network was failing to meet urgent need.
But Mr Turnbull told ABC radio he could not say how much the Coalition’s policy would cost in total until it had access to contractual details.
‘‘Our policy will be costed in the sense that we can provide very hard, reliable estimates of the relative cost of our approach, but we are not in a position to provide an alternative, if you like, to the NBN Co’s corporate plan because we simply don’t access to the contractual information,’’ Mr Turnbull said.
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‘‘We don’t know the extent to which they have made commitments or the terms on which those commitments are made.’’

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-unable-to-fully...

why should he?!

Labor's cost blowout for the NBN is $32B and that took 3 years after the election

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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 9:35pm

Labor's NBN is over budget, under-utilised and over-staffed whereas the Coalition alternative can provide quicker service at less than half the price...

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy says the coalition's proposed network will deliver slower speeds than the NBN, and consumers are likely to pay similar or higher prices for broadband services than they would under Labor's $37.4 plan, based on current offers.

Mr Turnbull said the coalition would not be able to provide a fully costed alternative network before the next federal election as it didn't have access to the rollout's details.

But investment bank Citigroup said last November that the opposition's proposal would cost around $16.7 billion.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/turnbull-pledges-faster-chea...

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Re: Noalition: no costed alternative to NBN
Reply #13 - Sep 24^th, 2012 at 11:11pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

No costed policy. And this is the party supposedly ready for an election NOW Roll Eyes

Quote:

Malcolm Turnbull has launched a survey to identify Australia’s broadband black spots but he says the Coalition will not be able to detail a fully-costed alternative to the National Broadband Network prior to the next election.
The opposition communications spokesman said the government’s national broadband network was failing to meet urgent need.
But Mr Turnbull told ABC radio he could not say how much the Coalition’s policy would cost in total until it had access to contractual details.
‘‘Our policy will be costed in the sense that we can provide very hard, reliable estimates of the relative cost of our approach, but we are not in a position to provide an alternative, if you like, to the NBN Co’s corporate plan because we simply don’t access to the contractual information,’’ Mr Turnbull said.
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‘‘We don’t know the extent to which they have made commitments or the terms on which those commitments are made.’’

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-unable-to-fully...

why should he?!

Labor's cost blowout for the NBN is $32B and that took 3 years after the election

because they say they are ready to go to an election now .... obviously they are not. .... was that difficult for you?

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