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Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:59pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-06/gillard-pulls-out-of-christian-lobby-speec...

Mr Wallace made the remarks in Tasmania yesterday during a debate with Greens leader Christine Milne on the merits of same-sex marriage.

"I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the homosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that it has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience.

"The life of smokers is reduced by something like seven to 10 years and yet we tell all our kids at school they shouldn't smoke."

This morning, he accused "gay activists" of misrepresenting his comments.

"I was not comparing homosexuality with smoking at all," Mr Wallace said in a statement.

"What I was saying is that on one hand we are vocal on our discouragement of people to smoke and on the other we are suppressing public dialogue about the health risks associated with homosexuality.

"Instead of more free speech-suppressing vitriol and demonisation from the gay activists, there needs to be an open and honest debate before Parliament changes the definition of marriage."

Ms Gillard was listed as the key note speaker at the ACL conference, but has been facing pressure to pull out of the event.

"I believe yesterday's comments by Jim Wallace were offensive," she said in a statement today.

"To compare the health effects of smoking cigarettes with the many struggles gay and lesbian Australians endure in contemporary society is heartless and wrong.

"Although everyone is entitled to their own view, these statements reiterated again today on behalf of ACL are totally unacceptable."



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The Greens have applauded the Prime Minister's decision, saying she should never have agreed to speak at the ACL conference.

"The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio.

But Mr Wallace said he was disappointed by Ms Gillard's decision to pull out of the event, describing it as a blow to free speech.

"This is a victory for the demonisation tactics of gay activism and its constant misrepresentation and spin of anything that is said by people who support marriage as between a man and a woman," he told ABC radio.

Mr Wallace said he could not understand why his comments offended homosexuals or the Prime Minister.

There are currently two bills before the House of Representatives aimed at legalising same-sex marriage - one from Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt, the other from Labor backbencher Stephen Jones.

Labor MPs have been given a conscience vote on the legislation, but Coalition MPs are expected to follow the party's position on the issue, which does not allow for any change to marriage laws.

A final vote on the legislation is not expected until later this year, although at this stage it appears the legislation will struggle to get the support it needs to pass the house.
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm
 
There are health risks associated with going up the bum!

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm:
There are health risks associated with going up the bum!

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That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left?
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:04pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm:
There are health risks associated with going up the bum!

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You didn't realise till now? You better stop going bareback then, unless you're the top.
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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:05pm
 
Whether you are for or against:

(1) Gay marriage
(2) Abortion
(3) Carbon emission impact of humans
(4) Alcohol
(5) Illegals
(6) Aborigines

You should be able to have a say without being demonised.

What is demonising?

It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views
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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:07pm
 
Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they
have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio."





They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO
have an undue amount of influence with the Minister.


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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
I thought this thread must have been about phony tony, demonising free speech in the Liberal party while letting Barny numnuts say as he pleases as Abbott is a gutless prick. I bet he  willingly bent over for the priests too, just like he offered up to Windsor.
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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:26pm
 
I am in favor of democracy, free speech, transparency and accountability on all the issues...nothing should happen on poofter marriage, the carbon tax or cubbie house sale without national interest accountability and a referendum...we have to press harder for full compliance with constitutional democracy.... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:30pm
 
Kat wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:07pm:
Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they
have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio."





They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO
have an undue amount of influence with the Minister.


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the more I read about POWER in certain so called religious groups the more fearful I become..Scientology being the biggy..

but they all seem to me to have the POWER to brainwash...


unless you are Amish... most of these followers lead perfectly[ on the surface] normal every day lives..

yet they are governed by all accounts morning noon and night..I am so shocked to hear where perfectly normal people are lead into a life of subservience almost as if they are in some sort of trance. are they weak or what??

this to me isnt religion or what it should be.. its POWER
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Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:39pm
 
I would like to say that I believe bad behavior must be punished whether it is online or in real life - there is no place for corruption, child porn, threatening, unchaste and immoral conduct or lawlessness... People should know the same laws apply online as offline... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:41pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:30pm:
Kat wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:07pm:
Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they
have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio."





They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO
have an undue amount of influence with the Minister.


Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry



the more I read about POWER in certain so called religious groups the more fearful I become..Scientology being the biggy..

but they all seem to me to have the POWER to brainwash...


unless you are Amish... most of these followers lead perfectly[ on the surface] normal every day lives..

yet they are governed by all accounts morning noon and night..I am so shocked to hear where perfectly normal people are lead into a life of subservience almost as if they are in some sort of trance. are they weak or what??

this to me isnt religion or what it should be.. its POWER

I agree with you cods. I'm a an atheist for all intents and purposes, but I respect people's spirituality, it's orgainised religions that are evil, not spiritualality.
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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:49pm
 
So what your implying is the Christian lobby can say what they like but the pm must attend their conference whether she wants to or not.
Doesn't that constitute a denial of freedom of association?
Her free will to choose who she speaks to or what she attends seems to be forgotten, I look forward to the next time tony is forced to speak at the lesbian transsexual and gay lobbies next function.
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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:02pm
 
I have to admit...I and the overwhelming majority of moderate middle Australians are more frightened by the violence, lawlessness and corruption that organized militant Atheism (Communism) brings to the table than organized religion...  Organized religion brings the full spectrum of views to the table...organized militant Atheism however...well you know the pathology they present...simply a world with no restraint, no consequences, no accountability, no transparency, no democracy, no rights, no protection from the bad behavior of others... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:10pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
I am in favor of democracy, free speech, transparency and accountability on all the issues...nothing should happen on poofter marriage, the carbon tax or cubbie house sale without national interest accountability and a referendum...we have to press harder for full compliance with constitutional democracy.... Smiley Smiley


I do not usually respond to the fruit loop brigade but do you have any idea how much a referendum costs.....Why bother when the result will be ignored and the question will be loaded towards a preferred outcome anyway???

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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:12pm
 
The collusion between the media and government on this BS, fabricated issue is astounding. 

Hopefully this sorry saga opens a few more eyes.   

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