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Reply #60 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

I'm interested Cods, what would you call something that is paid for by taxation?

not sure that I understand that smithy... if you are asking do I believe in taxation of course I do...

I visit a hospital... its paid for out of taxes and I appreciate that..

what would I call something that is paid for by taxation???

a tax funded necessity???????..

I dont know what you mean..are you saying I am complaining about TAXES??????..I am past doing that old bean.

No Cods not implying anything, just asking a question

I'll ask it again with a little more clarity,

Would you consider something funded by taxation a tax?

well look at it this way smithy...

every thing the govt spends is a TAX..oh sneaky I know.. like rego for one.. even speeding fines to me its all TAX..

so I cant think of one thing the govt does that they dont use TAXES for..so I guess the answer is yes..

I have always said a TAX IS A TAX IS A TAX no matter what you call it..a levy by any other name is a TAX

its what they do with it that bothers me..

so what point are you making smithy?????.

can you tell me where the govt gets money from that isnt a TAX on someone or something?

who spends TAXES? as far as I know its only the govts of the day sadly in the case of the present one.. we are not getting good value.

Then how can Tony tell you he will not have a carbon tax when his direct action is funded by taxation?

Is Tony being honest, after all not 10 minutes ago you posted
cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

honesty is something I put above most other things..

AS for this

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

ugh! how ugly is that tirade?

Truth is often ugly, which is why it is avoided.

he is talking about either taking out of taxes we already pay... or he was talking taxing BIG business..

no more no less than what gillard did when she slammed half the nation with flood levy..[read tax]

its like everything else and what I said smithy

its what they spend it on that bothers me..like funding half bn school in Indonesia.. no thank you...

in fact I resent every penny we give that nation...and this lot cant wait to give them more.

as for the tirade.. like most other things was it justified?????????..it did more damage to you than the other party

and its good to know that how you really think and feel..a couple of times you have done the same thing and then made out it was some kind of joke..... now we know the TRUTH dont we..

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105120	Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Reply #61 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm Matty hates Mr Turnbull, Cods. When he comes back to Australia, he'll probably back Mr Abbott 100%.
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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #62 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Maybe. Abbott does a marvellous job as opposition leader.

But the question is whether he will do a good job as PM.

I think he'll be a fine Prime Minister. It's always difficult presenting your views and persona from the opposition.

What do you think of his economic policies, Shane?

He'll be in charge of all you Canberra economists when he gets in.

I don't support Abbott's direct action plan on global warming - this is expensive and will achieve nothing.

I don't sipport paid maternity leave paid for a tax on large business. We shouldn't be susbsidising peoples' lifestyle choices.

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Julia Gillard - twice selected, never elected.

We're still paying for the Whitlam Government.

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105120	Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Reply #63 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:33pm Right. So he doesn't have your support as party leader?
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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #64 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Maybe. Abbott does a marvellous job as opposition leader.

But the question is whether he will do a good job as PM.

Lets hope we never find out

you have spelt it out..

YOU ARE ALL SCARED WITLESS HE WILL BE A GOOD PM.. THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY FOR 5 years..

NO GOOD OLD AUSSIE SPIRIT WITH YOU MISERABLE LOT IS THERE?..

did your FAIR GO get up and LEAVE? Angry

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Reply #65 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:34pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm: Matty hates Mr Turnbull, Cods. When he comes back to Australia, he'll probably back Mr Abbott 100%. whats matty got to do with anything...
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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105120	Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Reply #66 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:35pm SHAME LABOR SHAME.
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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #67 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

Honesty is the best policy: Turnbull swipes at Abbott and 'deficit of trust'

MALCOLM TURNBULL has decried the state of political discourse in Australia, saying it had deteriorated to such an extent that the nation suffered "a deficit of trust" and there was an urgent need for honesty in politics.

In comments that are bound to be construed as critical of the style of Tony Abbott, Mr Turnbull cited his own keen area of interest, the science of climate change, as a victim of what passed these days for political debate.

Delivering a lecture in Perth last night, Mr Turnbull said it was an inescapable fact that greenhouse gases caused the earth to warm.

Urgent need for honesty in politics ... Malcolm Turnbull. Photo: Supplied
"Politicians and shock jocks, scientists and coal barons, all of them can argue for as long as they like, but they cannot change the physical reality," he said. "I won't linger on climate change – the hopeless, confused, hyper-partisan nature of the debate is too well known to rehearse.

Full article here.....
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/honesty-is-the-best-polic...

THE EMBARRASMENT OF VOTING LIBERAL IS SOMETHING THE KIDS WILL READ ABOUT AND CONDEMN THEIR OLDIES FOR IN THE FUTURE....

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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #68 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Matty hates Mr Turnbull, Cods. When he comes back to Australia, he'll probably back Mr Abbott 100%.

whats matty got to do with anything...

He's currently in New Zealand, but when he gets back he intends to run for the Liberal Party.

This could change the numbers for Mr Abbott. Remember, Mr Abbott only got in by one vote.

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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #69 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

Shane B wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Shane B wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Maybe. Abbott does a marvellous job as opposition leader.

But the question is whether he will do a good job as PM.

I think he'll be a fine Prime Minister. It's always difficult presenting your views and persona from the opposition.

What do you think of his economic policies, Shane?

He'll be in charge of all you Canberra economists when he gets in.

I don't support Abbott's direct action plan on global warming - this is expensive and will achieve nothing.

I don't sipport paid maternity leave paid for a tax on large business. We shouldn't be susbsidising peoples' lifestyle choices.

Shano is so compromised!

We shouldn't be subsiding lifestyle choices is it shano??????????????????????????????????????????//

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #70 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:39pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Right. So he doesn't have your support as party leader?

we are not sheep on the right karnal just as well you left the knowledge part off that ID..

I am with shane regarding paid maternity leave as well.. we give this generation enough..they are worse than any welfare group they really are..

maybe if you didnt agree with the messiah on everything that comes our of her mouth... you would have a different perspective as well..

just because someone us on here or Turnbull doesnt agree with everything that Abbott does.. doesnt mean we dont want him as the Leader..

Abbott doesnt need his boots licked every morning. like some do.I am sure he would prefer honesty to lies and back stabbing.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Reply #71 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:39pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Not always. Private investment is the best way. Why should consumer pay for increases? No i do not agree. Investment, lol... the jews love anything involving that word investment!!!
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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #72 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Matty hates Mr Turnbull, Cods. When he comes back to Australia, he'll probably back Mr Abbott 100%.

whats matty got to do with anything...

He's currently in New Zealand, but when he gets back he intends to run for the Liberal Party.

This could change the numbers for Mr Abbott. Remember, Mr Abbott only got in by one vote.

I know he is in NZ but its the first I have heard of him running he would need to join the Liberal Party first..and then win preference...

so dont make things up about him pleaseeeeeeeeeee.. so childish.

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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #73 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:42pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

You need to be strong.

You need to say - this is why we should not pay.

There should be private investment

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If there is to be taxes to fund - then take from other areas which do not harm your country or the citizens.
I don't have a Aussie political view on your parties, it is not my say - but i do have a view on climate change.
It should be the world's worst polluters who must take the most action and then other countries work to provide private investment.

I just gave you one example of the Hydro plant funded by Toyota.

I know several others, my uncle's company is a major investor in a wind power generation funded by investment, USA grants and from Government land lease.

No tax, no price increase. Just energy.

You are taking the easy option and hitting the taxpayer in both your ideas.

lol,..... jews love that word investment!

As for the tax bit: ya tax what doesn't move!! Otherwise you are promoting inefficency in the tax regime!!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott
Reply #74 - Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

in fact I resent every penny we give that nation...and this lot cant wait to give them more.

Then how does the bipartisan support to increase foreign aid sit with you?

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

and its good to know that how you really think and feel..a couple of times you have done the same thing and then made out it was some kind of joke..... now we know the TRUTH dont we..

I don't think I've ever denied that I am a arrogant son of a bitch, in fact I wear it as a badge of honour.

I have very little time for fools, which probably explains my low tolerance for most politicians today, especially Abbott & his bunch of deceitful clowns.

Sometime I go overboard but as you know personally I will admit my mistake & apologize to those i have upset or offended.

Don't bother with the usual comeback to the deceitful clown remark, I know it, I acknowledge it, but Abbott is lying to you, you know & fail to acknowledge it.

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