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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil. Reply #15 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:46am: I am Middle Eastern What ever...if you fellas are happy living in a war zone of your own making until the end of time thats up to you.
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Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil.
Reply #16 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:53am

adelcrow wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:46am:

I am Middle Eastern

What ever...if you fellas are happy living in a war zone of your own making until the end of time thats up to you.

Like I have said before - the new generation of people in the land of Israel can bring peace.
My generation - born in the land, brought in the land and prepared to talk to moderates.

The early Israelis fought bravely to build the land - Ben Gurion, Dayan, Meir etc - then comes the people like my younger generation who will keep it and build a more trust worthy peace.

We are not moving, we are not going.

The UN supports us, the USA supports - and look even you Australia supports us.

So it will only be a war zone if the Palestinians want it to be.

If they want peace we can bring it.

If they want war, they know too we can easily bring it too.

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Reply #17 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:55am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:53am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:46am:

I am Middle Eastern

What ever...if you fellas are happy living in a war zone of your own making until the end of time thats up to you.

Like I have said before - the new generation of people in the land of Israel can bring peace.
My generation - born in the land, brought in the land and prepared to talk to moderates.

The early Israelis fought bravely to build the land - Ben Gurion, Dayan, Meir etc - then comes the people like my younger generation who will keep it and build a more trust worthy peace.

We are not moving, we are not going.

The UN supports us, the USA supports - and look even you Australia supports us.

So it will only be a war zone if the Palestinians want it to be.

If they want peace we can bring it.

If they want war, they know too we can easily bring it too.

Like I said..enjoy living in a warzone until the end of time.

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Reply #18 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:56am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:10am:

Banning the veil is a security measure.

They are banned at every checkpoint i have manned - because we cannot confirm their identity to the card.

There are many signs in Arabic telling them veils are banned and if they do not comply to the soldier request they can be detained until they do confirm the identity.

Remember - security is most important than everything - keeping people safe.

but it wasnt a checkpoint or even a bank. In fact it wasnt even burqas. That article has the purpose of stirring up with dog whistles.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil. Reply #19 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am Haifa is peaceful. But warzone? If they want it to be. It is they in camps, not us. So they can make their choice.
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Reply #20 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:59am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:23am:

Lifting for the appropriate people?

So what do you do when we have a checkpoint which can only be manned by male personnel because of security concerns?

Such as border near Sinai?

We can not let anyone through without a ID confirmation and that is the law.

Security is number 1 priority.

You know if you live in a country where people has disguised in a burqa and then blow up a schoolbus killing women and children as suicide - you would have a different opinion maybe.

avram this thread is not about israel or you.

France. This took place in france. no "check points".

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Reply #21 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 12:01pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:44am:

1) There is no Palestine

2) Jerusalem is not in Palestinian land.

It was a market place. Read about it - a Hamas "martyr" disguised as a woman in a veil got to a bus and set off a bomb which killed pregnant women, 11 month old child, 3 year old child, many other women and under 18s.

This is the work of a "hero".

This is why we have these rules.

Who cares we are talking about france

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26594 Australia	Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil. Reply #22 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm Seriously i doubt the burqa will be banned in australia - unless they want to ban helmets and balaclavas etc in the streets. In banks you already have to take them off. I think france has gone too far with this banning of stuff in the streets. do they have cold winters? SOB
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Reply #23 - Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 12:16pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Seriously i doubt the burqa will be banned in australia - unless they want to ban helmets and balaclavas etc in the streets. In banks you already have to take them off.

I think france has gone too far with this banning of stuff in the streets. do they have cold winters?

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Its pretty stupid..try sitting in an international airport or hotel lobby these days and burqa and veil clad women are common place.
I can see the point of jumping at shadows in war zones but not in everyday life

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil. Reply #24 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 7:59pm Hah It's all about ISreal again, (not). F. O. Horrorwit. If the Niqab is an exercise of womens rights, I'm a mormon.
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Reply #25 - Sep 4^th, 2012 at 8:11pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:44am:

1) There is no Palestine

2) Jerusalem is not in Palestinian land.

It was a market place. Read about it - a Hamas "martyr" disguised as a woman in a veil got to a bus and set off a bomb which killed pregnant women, 11 month old child, 3 year old child, many other women and under 18s.

This is the work of a "hero".

This is why we have these rules.

Filthy terrorist, enjoy your holocaust.

west apo should be given a posting holiday for that response.
totally out of order

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Reply #26 - Sep 5^th, 2012 at 10:47am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 11:44am:

1) There is no Palestine

2) Jerusalem is not in Palestinian land.

It was a market place. Read about it - a Hamas "martyr" disguised as a woman in a veil got to a bus and set off a bomb which killed pregnant women, 11 month old child, 3 year old child, many other women and under 18s.

This is the work of a "hero".

This is why we have these rules.

Filthy terrorist, enjoy your holocaust.

west apo should be given a posting holiday for that response.
totally out of order

Sticking up for a terrorist is pathetic and you should be ashamed.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: The French Law Banning The Full Face Veil. Reply #28 - Sep 5^th, 2012 at 1:32pm ... wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 1:29pm: French shielas are pretty hot. Your thinking of the French blokes, the anatomical girls are the ones with facial hair.
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Reply #29 - Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:23pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Seriously i doubt the burqa will be banned in australia - unless they want to ban helmets and balaclavas etc in the streets. In banks you already have to take them off.

I think france has gone too far with this banning of stuff in the streets. do they have cold winters?

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You think? You don't.

Article 1.France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis.Statutes shall promote equal access by women and men to elective offices and posts as well as to position of professional and social responsibility.

France is a secular state - Article 1 of the constitution.
Equal access by women and men to ... and social responsibility - also Article 1.

The burqa worn in the public space violates Article 1 of the constitution. That's why it is banned.

Not because have cold winters or any some such super-lame-o nonsense, Derek.

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