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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #30 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:14am

But do you see the fact China has continued to increase emissions at a very alarming rate to be a problem?

They contribute 25% of the world's emissions and they have admitted this will increase?

Why are they not reducing like everyone else?

Who gives them the right to do that?

I am more in favor of the United States than China. I dont like China - I think they are dangerous and they worry me.
Environment is one example - they are not listening and dont care.

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #31 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:37am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:14am:

But do you see the fact China has continued to increase emissions at a very alarming rate to be a problem?

They contribute 25% of the world's emissions and they have admitted this will increase?

Why are they not reducing like everyone else?

Who gives them the right to do that?

I am more in favor of the United States than China. I dont like China - I think they are dangerous and they worry me.
Environment is one example - they are not listening and dont care.

Yes - the fact China has continued to increase emissions at a very alarming rate is a very big problem.

But at least it is developing alternatives.

Meanwhile - there are still prominent politicians in the USA (and Australia) who are still refusing to even acknowledge there is a problem. that is also a very big problem.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: The day the world went mad. Reply #32 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax. He'll set all you loonies straight.
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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #33 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #34 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #35 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:00pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

We don't tax feckwits nearly half as much as we ought to.

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #36 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:11pm

Important paper strongly suggests man-made CO2 is not the driver of global warming

An important new paper published today in Global and Planetary Change finds that changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature and that “CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2” The paper finds the “overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere,” in other words, the opposite of claims by global warming alarmists that CO2 in the atmosphere drives land and ocean temperatures. Instead, just as in the ice cores, CO2 levels are found to be a lagging effect ocean warming, not significantly related to man-made emissions, and not the driver of warming. Prior research has shown infrared radiation from greenhouse gases is incapable of warming the oceans, only shortwave radiation from the Sun is capable of penetrating and heating the oceans and thereby driving global surface temperatures.

The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/30/important-paper-strongly-suggests-man-made...

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #37 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:18pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

You do understand that here Direct Action IS FUNDED BY TAX $$$$$
So how is that not taxing people & increasing the cost of living?

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #38 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:20pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

You do understand that here Direct Action IS FUNDED BY TAX $$$$$
So how is that not taxing people & increasing the cost of living?

The NDIS and Dental Scheme are new Labor taxes.

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #39 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:22pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

You do understand that here Direct Action IS FUNDED BY TAX $$$$$
So how is that not taxing people & increasing the cost of living?

Paid for via current, no new taxes. labor love new taxes.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: The day the world went mad. Reply #40 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:20pm: The NDIS and Dental Scheme are new Labor taxes. Really? What new taxes were introduced to fund the dental scheme f'rinstance?
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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #41 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:28pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:14am:

But do you see the fact China has continued to increase emissions at a very alarming rate to be a problem?

They contribute 25% of the world's emissions and they have admitted this will increase?

Why are they not reducing like everyone else?

Who gives them the right to do that?

I am more in favor of the United States than China. I dont like China - I think they are dangerous and they worry me.
Environment is one example - they are not listening and dont care.

harsh avram, china is trying pretty hard to go green whilst also absorbing 50,000,000 people a year into a more wealthy (and therefore more electricity dependant lifestyle)

i was really shocked to hear obama say last year, and i quote
"the chinese cannot expect that they will all be able to aspire to the same standard of living as the average american. the environmental impact would be catastrophic"
this reflected a rather glaring hypocrisy from what seems like the most intelligent of maericans. god only knows what the rednecks at the daytona 500 driving their chevvy V 8's think but i doubt the chinese see themselves as remaining quiet, humble servants living in mud huts and eating rice for the next century. and neither they should.
to say otherwise stinks of a bit of a double standard. are we going to hear the american plan for tackling global warming. me thinks not Sad

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #42 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:28pm

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:58am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:49am:

Bjorn Lomborg will be on the Bolt Report this Sunday, discussing our mad carbon tax.

He'll set all you loonies straight.

Maybe you could ask Bolt why he supports Tony reducing carbon emissions by 5% yet is against Labor doing so?

Maybe you could ask him how a cost on business is a tax but using tax payer $$$ to fund DA doesn't make it a tax?

Good article about the outbreak of STUPID within public debate, I'd link it but being seen as informed or intelligent is apparently a bad thing these days, so carry on.

The louder you shout the more important you must be

This is something that works.
You know Israel has built a fully function water and solar driven plant for electricity power - all from direct action, investment and grants.

The obsession of taxing your people and increase the cost of living i see in this country is crazy.

You do understand that here Direct Action IS FUNDED BY TAX $$$$$
So how is that not taxing people & increasing the cost of living?

Paid for via current, no new taxes. labor love new taxes.

So how will the CURRENT things funded by that money be paid for after direct action?

New Taxes or will they just be axed?

And how will that not cost you in either higher taxation or higher cost of service.

Sorry thinking questions again.

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Re: The day the world went mad.
Reply #43 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm

Gist wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:20pm:

The NDIS and Dental Scheme are new Labor taxes.

Really? What new taxes were introduced to fund the dental scheme f'rinstance?

carbon tax pays for all future promises in labors next 5 days. Lets see what happens after the 5 days. Oxygen tax maybe.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: The day the world went mad. Reply #44 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm Gist wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm: Shane B wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:20pm: The NDIS and Dental Scheme are new Labor taxes. Really? What new taxes were introduced to fund the dental scheme f'rinstance? Just saying, Smithy's point that expenditure on direction action is a tax is ridiculous.
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