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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said Reply #15 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:12am And so it continues...I heard on the ABC this morning that one bloke on the building sites in the dispute is paid $130,000.00 a year "to boil the kettle and keep the kitchen clean..."
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said Reply #16 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:34am maybe this guy learnt from Bill Shorten wasnt he the guy that organised the "thugs" to ram the parliament house doors down?????????.. or is that just being vocal..
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said Reply #17 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:37am We all pay big time for these lazy bully scum. The cost comes to us via the cost of goods. $130000 for a kitchen job. Dam, thats robbery of my money for higher costs of goods.
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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #18 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:38am

Meanwhile, Mr Setka's personal "rap sheet" has also been published today - The Australian newspaper lists nearly 40 convictions, including assault and criminal damage. The story also links Mr Setka to underworld figure Mick Gatto - who also speaks to Jon, and says Mr Setka's priority is worker safety.

can we assume if he drove his car at someone that was all in the name of worker safety???????

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said Reply #19 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:39am progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:37am: We all pay big time for these lazy bully scum. The cost comes to us via the cost of goods. $130000 for a kitchen job. Dam, thats robbery of my money for higher costs of goods. I guess its all in the name of FAIRWORK.Inc.
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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #20 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Its not slander if they are SOB.

He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction.

At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug.

Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point.

Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try.

You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time.

SOB

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Reply #21 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am

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Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year.

Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug.

I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue. Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory. Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation.

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A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.

This is a very worrying development. Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public. Is the source of the leak being investigated?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26594 Australia	Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said Reply #22 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am: Not a thug hey SOB, Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time. why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl? SOB
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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #23 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:03am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Its not slander if they are SOB.

He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction.

At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug.

Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point.

Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try.

You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time.

SOB

oh sob I do feel sorry for you....

this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over...

this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers.

surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are?

he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone.

would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man???

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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #24 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:07am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Not a thug hey SOB,

Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time.

why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl?

SOB

He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third.

He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID.

Difficult to understand?

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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #25 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:09am

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Not a thug hey SOB,

Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time.

why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl?

SOB

He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third.

He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID.

Difficult to understand?

He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count.

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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #26 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:10am

Frances wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

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Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year.

Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug.

I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue. Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory. Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation.

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A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.

This is a very worrying development. Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public. Is the source of the leak being investigated?

ah here we go again kill the messenger..

ok we can see you prefer this type of person.. Setka..as an upright aussie person.. well done..

like I asked sob would you like one of yours to grow up like this man????

a simple question I think... as this man is setting an example.. Head of the CFMEU. is no baby shakes. he has a loud voice.. and he sets the tone..

so I ask again is this the type of person you would like to mentor a child of yours????

I would think the record of this man would be in ever newspaper archive..almost 40 convictions..

I know I know. you support him so let it be.

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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #27 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:12am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Not a thug hey SOB,

Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time.

why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl?

SOB

He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third.

He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID.

Difficult to understand?

He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count.

of course a ALP star in the making...

can we look forward to him on the front bench before long?

e seems to have a way with him that gets results......just dont get in the way when he is driving.its your fault.

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Re: Union official suing Abbott did what Abbott said
Reply #28 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:33am

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Not a thug hey SOB,

Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time.

why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl?

SOB

He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third.

He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID.

Difficult to understand?

He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count.

of course a ALP star in the making...

can we look forward to him on the front bench before long?

e seems to have a way with him that gets results......just dont get in the way when he is driving.its your fault.

They'll only get him into parliament if he expresses an interest in matters parliamentary, Cods, just like they've appointed Brendan Nelson to head the Australian War Memorial because, in part, "he has an interest in World War 2".

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Reply #29 - Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:01pm

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Frances wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

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Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year.

Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug.

I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue. Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory. Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation.

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A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.

This is a very worrying development. Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public. Is the source of the leak being investigated?

ah here we go again kill the messenger..

ok we can see you prefer this type of person.. Setka..as an upright aussie person.. well done..

like I asked sob would you like one of yours to grow up like this man????

a simple question I think... as this man is setting an example.. Head of the CFMEU. is no baby shakes. he has a loud voice.. and he sets the tone..

so I ask again is this the type of person you would like to mentor a child of yours????

I would think the record of this man would be in ever newspaper archive..almost 40 convictions..

I know I know. you support him so let it be.

Kill the messenger? If it was information that was publicly available, or that was available under the Freedom of Information legislation, you could say that. I wouldn't see a problem with revealing it to a wider audience. However, the report mentioned "a leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991". Are you suggesting that it is in order to leak highly personal information about a person's Police record to the public? With a person such as Mr Setka, of course a number of matters would already be on the public record, but not necessarily all. Mr Setka is entitled to the same privacy protection as any other member of the public.

A public servant or a Police officer can't just release information when they feel like it because they think it is in the public interest. There are certain provisions in place to protect peoples privacy. This is why we have the Privacy Act 1988 of the Commonwealth and the Information Privacy Act 2000 of Victoria. I am unfamiliar with the penalty provisions in those pieces of legislation, but I think I would be safe in saying that anyone leaking information about a person's criminal history would leave themselves open to diciplinary action, possible dismissal and maybe even prosecution for a breach of one or both acts.

As to your comment as to me preferring "this type of person", I would have thought that I already made it clear that I do not endorse his actions when I made my earlier post. I am assuming that you have a level of comprehension at least equal to that of a primary school student - but then again, I could be wrong.....

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