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Aug 24th, 2012 at 11:43am
 
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a member of Pussy Riot gestured to the court and said in her show-trial's closing statements, "Despite the fact that we are physically here, we are freer than everyone sitting across from us ... We can say anything we want..."


http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/17/russia-pussyriot-world-idINL6E8JH63E201...
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Reply #1 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 11:45am
 
nah fuggem.
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Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 1:42pm
 
What Wesley said.
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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 4:40pm
 
If people aren't going to give a shyt when the west brutalises and arrests protesters (not that Russia brutalised pussy riot, imagine the headlines then) I am going to defend Russia's right to do the same.
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Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 5:31pm
 
Land of the Free? Absolutely Not.
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/08/22/land-of-the-free-absolutely-not/
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Is the US Government the worst rights violator on earth?

Well they sure don’t think so!

According to mainstream media reports, one of Barack Obama’s White House spokesmen said this in response to the recent “free speech” trial in Russia:

“While we understand that the group’s behavior was offensive to some, we have serious concerns about the way these young women have been treated by the Russian judicial system.”

Ok, so let me get this straight.

The leadership of the country with the most people in prison -anywhere on Earth other than North Korea – is lecturing another country about their judicial system?

Barack Obama, who last winter signed the 2012 NDAA authorizing nothing less than government-sanctioned kidnapping, is in favor of fair trials?  Maybe so, when he even allows his enemies to get a trial.  In the United States, if someone did what the Russian protest musicians did, they could have been declared “terrorists,” and thrown in prison forever, without charge, without representation, without trial.

So who the hell is he to lecture anyone about how a judicial system treats human beings?

The Russian leadership is filled with criminals, and their judicial system is extremely corrupt.  Defense lawyers were barred from calling most of the witnesses they wanted, including experts and some eyewitnesses, even as prosecutors were allowed to call witnesses who had seen the Pussy Riot performance only on video.

But here in the “land of the free,” things are even worse.

Barack Obama’s attorneys, in a recent court hearing on the NDAA, once again refused to assure the court that indefinite detention powers have not been used by the US government – even after Judge Forrest’s injunction against it.

Is a show trial worse than no trial at all?  Absolutely not. At least a show trial allows the world to see the corruption.  In Barack Obama’s America the government people are so corrupt they prefer secrecy.  They claim the power to take you off the street without anyone ever knowing it.  Have things gotten that bad?  With this recent court refusal, you’ll never know for sure.

What we do know for sure is that they have no problem arresting people without trial – at all.  Even though he’ll eventually get one, Bradley Manning has been incarcerated for over two years without trial.  And just this week, Brandon Raub was arrested for facebook posts – and forcibly sent to a psychiatric hospital without due process or even an attorney.

With tens of thousands of drones set to start monitoring Americans’ every move, the TSA violating the 4th amendment on nearly 2 million people every single day, mass ammunition purchases by even the Social Security Administration – and much more – the American government is the height of criminality.

For Obama’s spokesman to lecture the Russian government is sad, sick joke.  That would be like John Gotti complaining about the crimes of Al Capone.

Look, I don’t trust these people.  Any of them.  They’re all criminals, in my opinion.  But, you know what?  It’s the American government which which might be the most dangerous in the world.

Join Us!

I don’t want them telling me what size my toilet should be or what kind of lightbulbs I can buy.  I don’t want them controlling my health care, my education, my retirement, or anything else.  I don’t want their taxes, or their inflation, or their funny money either.  I don’t want them to try to fix the environment or car companies so incompetent that they should be out of business.  I don’t want them sending guns to cartels across the border or to their so-called allies overseas either.  I don’t want them invading my neighborhood and shutting down businesses for selling a plant they don’t approve of or a type of milk they don’t like.   I don’t want them invading anyone at all.

Instead of violating rights at home and interfering with the lives and liberty of people around the rest of the world, the American government would serve a much better purpose to follow the Constitution – and butt the hell out.

Will it happen?  Without a completely different way of dealing with them – never.
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Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2012 at 5:37pm
 
That's a good article and we could say the same for us.

Butt out of our business government.
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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 8:02am
 
Slow day at the office for Julia? There's more to these riotous pussies than meets they eye. There's hundreds if not thousands of political prisoners being held around the world that no one seems to give a stuff about.

We must ask ourselves, why the international interest in this group of unheard of protesters?

Interfering in domestic matters again, the yanks are teaching you well Gillard.

She also intends to ruffle the feathers of China whilst at the ASEAN meeting.

That's right Julia! distance us further from our Asian neighbours.
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Gillard reveals Australia complained to Moscow over jailing of Pussy Riot band members

The fact that she waited until she was on Russian soil to explain Australia's official position is likely to raise eyebrows in the host nation, which might view her timing as provocative and inappropriate given the Pussy Riot case was handled by a court and is a domestic legal matter.

http://www.news.com.au/national/gillard-reveals-australia-complained-to-moscow-o...
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Reply #7 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 3:47pm
 
Pansi why do you think standing up for our neighbour's rights will distance us from them?
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Reply #8 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 4:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 3:47pm:
Pansi why do you think standing up for our neighbour's rights will distance us from them?



She said she has no position on the South China Sea dispute. She should be backing up Asia, rather than molly coddling to America. She's too gutless to stand with our neighbours because she might offend her beloved America.

It's obvious why we are encouraging American marines on our shores, they want what's in the South China Sea bad, but it belongs to Asian countries.

The question is

Will they be willing to fight China for it?

Personally, I doubt it, they're on the skids financially. They might have enough for a couple of small takeovers, but nothing major.
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Reply #9 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 4:36pm
 
You seem to be attempting to frame everything in terms of the rights of governments rather than the rights of people. Surely the rights of people come first, and the interest in pussy riot reflects this?
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Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 5:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
You seem to be attempting to frame everything in terms of the rights of governments rather than the rights of people. Surely the rights of people come first, and the interest in pussy riot reflects this?



Most of the world want all political prisoners released too, but they don't get it.

Pussy Riot will be forgotten about in another week or two, if not already.

Putin said he had no part in their sentence. The church has forgiven them, but the courts decided on the penalty.

They were financed and backed by NGO's to protest against Putin and his government.

Two years is a bit extreme, but they'll be out long before that.

Hopefully, in the meantime they have learned not to smash church icons.



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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 5:39pm
 
Here you go freediver. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak. This is what Mr Putin had to say when asked about pussy riot. This is the transcript from a video interview with RT, where he talks about many things, including Syria.

Oh! wouldn't you just love to have a leader who answered questions directly and sensibly, like Putin.

Why can't we? Just for one term.
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Here’s what I would like to say. I have always felt that punishment should be proportionate to the offence. I am not in a position now and would not like, anyway, to comment on the decision of a Russian court, but I would rather talk about the moral side of the story.

First, in case you never heard of it, a couple of years ago one of the band’s members put up three effigies in one of Moscow’s big supermarkets, with a sign saying that Jews, gays and migrant workers should be driven out of Moscow. I think the authorities should have looked into their activities back then. After that, they staged an orgy in a public place. Of course, people are allowed to do whatever they want to do, as long as it’s legal, but this kind of conduct in a public place should not go unnoticed by the authorities. Then they uploaded the video of that orgy on the internet. You know some fans of group sex say it’s better than one-on-one because, like in any team, you don’t need to hit the ball all the time.

Again, it’s okay if you do what you like privately, but I wouldn’t be that certain about uploading your acts on the internet. It could be the subject of legal assessment, too.

Then they turned up at Yelokhovo Cathedral, here in Moscow, causing unholy mayhem, and went to another cathedral and caused mayhem there, too.

You know, Russians still have painful memories of the early years of Soviet rule, when thousands of Orthodox, Muslim, as well as clergy of other religions were persecuted. Soviet authorities brutally repressed the clergy. Many churches were destroyed. The attacks had a devastating effect on all our traditional religions. And so in general I think the state has to protect the feelings of believers.

I will not comment on whether the verdict is well-grounded and the sentence proportionate to the offence. These girls must have lawyers who defend their interests in court. They have the right to file an appeal and demand a new hearing. But it’s up to them, it’s just a legal issue.

RT: Is it realistic at all they will get some sort of early release?

Putin: I don’t know whether their lawyers have filed an appeal or not. I don’t follow the case that closely. If they appeal, a higher court is empowered to take any decision. To be honest, I try to stay as far away from the case as possible. I know the details but I do not want to get into it.

RT: There’s concern here and abroad that Russia has been suffering a clamp down on the opposition since you returned as President. There’s tighter defamation law, upping the fines for defamation, internet censorship laws brought into protect children. All these introduced under your watch. What’s the balance do you think between a healthy opposition and maintaining law and order? what’s your view?

Putin: So is it true then that other countries don’t have laws that ban child pornography, including online?

RT: Indeed they do.

Putin: So they do? Well, we didn’t, until recently. And if we began to protect our society and our children from these offences…

http://rt.com/news/vladimir-putin-exclusive-interview-481/
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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 7:22pm
 
There are plenty of political prisoners with far more noble motives than the Pussy Riot girls. It'd be nice to see some of them get a fraction of the media attention.
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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2012 at 7:40pm
 

I'd riot for free pussy....Smiley
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Have you been paying for it?....Smiley
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