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Reply #45 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

No policies, eh? How about scrapping carbon dioxide tax, scrapping mining tax, resurrecting Pacific Solution to name just a few? Tony hasn't backflipped on anything.

They're not policies, they're empty thought bubbles!

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We need your help! Can YOU help Tony find a policy?

Call now! (02) 6273 2564 or email Tony.Abbott.MP@aph.gov.au

Such a sad, misguided sock. I pity you. Grin

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #46 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

No policies, eh? How about scrapping carbon dioxide tax, scrapping mining tax, resurrecting Pacific Solution to name just a few? Tony hasn't backflipped on anything.

They're not policies, they're empty thought bubbles!

http://rlv.zcache.com/thought_bubble_postcard-p239866672188059635envli_400.jpg
http://www.greenleft.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image/tony_ab...

We need your help! Can YOU help Tony find a policy?

Call now! (02) 6273 2564 or email Tony.Abbott.MP@aph.gov.au

If you don't have anything of value to add - just listen.

You really are a waste of space, Italian.

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Reply #47 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

I dont agree there.
I agree with some of the comments he has made.

All I've seen lately is cheer leading, which is fine I suppose, if not a little boring.
Some critical analysis of policy would be good but his in the same boat as all of us there, i.e NONE TO ANALYZE.

But hang on he just stated what he though were 3 policies, so break it down for the dummies AP

What are the outcomes to be achieved
What milestones will signal achievement on the implementation time line
Funding going forward
etc etc

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Reply #48 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:15pm

Like I said smithy - you can scrap the carbon tax and not need to keep the compensation.

Why keep a compensation to compensate something no longer there?

Loads of us didn't get it anyway did we?

Hardly a big loss.

Totally scrap FWA and re-work industrial relations to be more fluid and competitive in nature.
You can sharpen the edges on a lot of the legislation around working hours and conditions.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer Reply #49 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:19pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:13pm: You really are a waste of space, Italian. Hey Jew, do you really think I measure my self worth in terms of the opinions of arseholes like you? Wrong. Are you ever not wrong?
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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #50 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Like I said smithy - you can scrap the carbon tax and not need to keep the compensation.

Why keep a compensation to compensate something no longer there?

Loads of us didn't get it anyway did we?

Hardly a big loss.

Totally scrap FWA and re-work industrial relations to be more fluid and competitive in nature.
You can sharpen the edges on a lot of the legislation around working hours and conditions.

1000's of Australians are now not paying any tax
All Australians are paying no tax on the 1st 18K of their income
Pensions have risen.

Which is all part of the compo package, now I see & understand the argument of no tax no compo needed, they problem both you & AP are either forgetting or deliberately ignoring is that Tony has stated all benefits will remain, he won't or is too gutless to take the money back.
Which of course begs the question were will it come from once the revenue stream which funds it disappears.

If I wanted Chinese Labor laws I'd move there.

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #51 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:27pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Like I said smithy - you can scrap the carbon tax and not need to keep the compensation.

Why keep a compensation to compensate something no longer there?

Loads of us didn't get it anyway did we?

Hardly a big loss.

Totally scrap FWA and re-work industrial relations to be more fluid and competitive in nature.
You can sharpen the edges on a lot of the legislation around working hours and conditions.

1000's of Australians are now not paying any tax
All Australians are paying no tax on the 1st 18K of their income
Pensions have risen.

Which is all part of the compo package, now I see & understand the argument of no tax no compo needed, they problem both you & AP are either forgetting or deliberately ignoring is that Tony has stated all benefits will remain, he won't or is too gutless to take the money back.
Which of course begs the question were will it come from once the revenue stream which funds it disappears.

If I wanted Chinese Labor laws I'd move there.

If you are going to run your country based upon the tax rates of the low wage workers, you're heading for some pretty big and jagged rocks in that ship.

The tax laws have needed updating for a fair while.

GST should be 17.5%.
Top rate of tax should be 42%.
Middle rate should be 22-23%
And a tax free of about $15k.

You can make it work I assure you.

You cut social spending, foreign aid, welfare spending.
Remove baby bonus to all.
Put in more stringent benefit rules on unemployment and disability etc.

Australia needs a complete overhaul.

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #52 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

GST should be 17.5%.
Top rate of tax should be 42%.
Middle rate should be 22-23%
And a tax free of about $15k.

No argument there, but that's not what Tony is even thinking.
I doubt he even would understand that sort of language.

His all 3 word slogans for dumb punters, hell talk like the above only does one of two things,
Sends them to sleep or into cardiac arrest.
Neither is what Tony wants, he wants them angry, because angry people make rash decision without thought to the full ramifications of those decisions.
It's the ONLY way Abbott will get in, Angry thoughtless voters.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer Reply #54 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:41pm Top rate of tax is higher too. The middle tiers are mixed as well. I am telling you what it should be. Drop down tax free rate. Increase GST. Drop top rate of tax. Streamline middle tier to one rate. Cut welfare benefits, cut aid.
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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #55 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:43pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

GST should be 17.5%.
Top rate of tax should be 42%.
Middle rate should be 22-23%
And a tax free of about $15k.

No argument there, but that's not what Tony is even thinking.
I doubt he even would understand that sort of language.

His all 3 word slogans for dumb punters, hell talk like the above only does one of two things,
Sends them to sleep or into cardiac arrest.
Neither is what Tony wants, he wants them angry, because angry people make rash decision without thought to the full ramifications of those decisions.
It's the ONLY way Abbott will get in, Angry thoughtless voters.

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar mate.
I failed my entry into Oxford.

He's smarter than I.

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #56 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

GST should be 17.5%.
Top rate of tax should be 42%.
Middle rate should be 22-23%
And a tax free of about $15k.

No argument there, but that's not what Tony is even thinking.
I doubt he even would understand that sort of language.

His all 3 word slogans for dumb punters, hell talk like the above only does one of two things,
Sends them to sleep or into cardiac arrest.
Neither is what Tony wants, he wants them angry, because angry people make rash decision without thought to the full ramifications of those decisions.
It's the ONLY way Abbott will get in, Angry thoughtless voters.

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar mate.
I failed my entry into Oxford.

He's smarter than I.

Yeah I'm constantly reminded of that,
Not by Abbott's actions,words or even demeanor
But by people trying to defend him
Hardly a ringing endorsement for him or the Award.

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #57 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 3:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

No policies, eh? How about scrapping carbon dioxide tax, scrapping mining tax, resurrecting Pacific Solution to name just a few?

There not policies they are reactions & slogans to makes simple minded people happy.
Seems to have worked Grin

Scrapping CT - OK fine are we keeping all the compensation & tax reforms, if so where's the money coming from

Same with the Mining Tax

You see a policy is just a slogan until a path for implementation is mapped out & discussed with the public.
Then there's funding for said slogan that needs to be found.
Negotiation through both house......ooppps silly me it's Tony's Way or the DD way isn't it.
Every thought bubble done his way to the letter or were off to the polls because he knows whats best for us & well we will back him right?

But you are happy so,
STOP THE BOATS
PYTHON SQUEEZE NOT A COBRA STRIKE
AXE THE TAX

You sad, poor little person. Don't worry, life will be better when Abbott moves into the Lodge next year. Wink

So yet again nothing from AP
Sure posting a Daily Telegraph article no worries
Post a stupid little remark like the one above easypeasy

Ask for a decent thinking response from his own mind, forget it.

Scrapping the carbon tax will not require retention of any amount of compensation, as the compensation is contingent upon there being a tax. This is a Coalition policy that will directly save taxpayers and will enhance Australia's attractiveness for foreign investment, which is currently being scared off under Labor.

The mining tax is also having a negative impact on both investment and jobs, with an announcement this week that a smelter in QLD will be closing earlier than scheduled due to the carbon tax. Scrapping this tax, which is Coalition policy, will make Australia more attractive to investors both here and abroad.

Labor has, since 2007, failed to stop the boats. It has, in fact, made the problem exponentially worse. Each week our Navy transfers the same number of people to Christmas Island that arrived during the entire 5 years of the Pacific Solution. Returning to the policies of the Pacific Solution after years of Labor incompetence on this issue is overdue and has taken the former CDF to get the government to act. This is another Coalition policy.

Okay, I've answered you pretty comprehensively. I await your nonsensical, unintelligent and fault-riddled reply.

Sorry AP missed this, thanks for the effort

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Scrapping the carbon tax will not require retention of any amount of compensation,

Yet Tony has said all compo will continue, you might want to PM him & ask him which way he wants you to jump?

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will enhance Australia's attractiveness for foreign investment, which is currently being scared off under Labor.

Call me a doubting Thomas but can you link say 2 articles from different financial commentators who can back this claim?
Bolt & Ackerman don't count as they are neither Financial or commemorators, THEY ARE BROADCASTERS like ALLEN Wink

George Megalogenis is one you could quote that I'd believe & he works for the AUS so you shouldn't have a problem with the source.

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The mining tax is also having a negative impact on both investment and jobs

Again proof because everything I've seen suggests strong investment from both local & overseas, but happy for you to post something up which disproves that.

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with an announcement this week that a smelter in QLD will be closing earlier than scheduled due to the carbon tax.

That my friend sounds like a company closing an outdated refinery due to upgrade costs that found something else to blame it on.
But if your happy to take them at their word fine, me Doubting Thomas Wink

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Scrapping this tax, which is Coalition policy

Which will therefore see workers super stay a 9 instead of 12%
And will also see company tax rates stay at 30% instead of dropping to 28% & no small business tax breaks
oh as well as a new tax on business for babies, what ever happened to personal responsibility, you want to social engineer then use tax not Private $$$$

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Labor has, since 2007, failed to stop the boats.

True, but factors do play out but hey you wish not to accept them fine I'm not bothered to rehash them.
Suffice to say VERY SHORTLY we will see if the offshore coalition policy works.
What if it doesn't stop the boats?

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I await your nonsensical, unintelligent and fault-riddled reply

Pick away champion

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Re: Labor - flushing Australia down the sewer
Reply #58 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Top rate of tax is higher too.
The middle tiers are mixed as well.

I am telling you what it should be.

Drop down tax free rate.
Increase GST.
Drop top rate of tax.
Streamline middle tier to one rate.

Cut welfare benefits, cut aid.

VERY "ronnie-reagan-USA"

( ... though you missed more guns, cinemas, shopping malls and college campuses)

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Reply #59 - Aug 16^th, 2012 at 3:51pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Top rate of tax is higher too.
The middle tiers are mixed as well.

I am telling you what it should be.

Drop down tax free rate.
Increase GST.
Drop top rate of tax.
Streamline middle tier to one rate.

Cut welfare benefits, cut aid.

VERY "ronnie-reagan-USA"

( ... though you missed more guns, cinemas, shopping malls and college campuses)

You favour big Government and socialism.
Not something I remotely can sign up.

Why you want such interference in people's lives from Government is beyond me.

Small Government, tax incentives, people have more of their own money to decide how to spend it - thats what I am about.

People will always spend their own money better than any Government will.

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